Learning to fight: Part One- Forms

[David Jamieson]

The American school system has grossly failed the Insane Clown Posse. How else can we explain Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope's belief that the following are miracles?

* oceans
* stars
* mountains
* trees
* lava
* snow
* rain
* fog
* giraffes
* cats
* dogs
* childbirth
* sun
* moon
* mars
* milky way
* shooting stars
* ufos (wtf?)
* rivers
* plants
* Niagara falls
* pyramids
* rainbows
* pelicans
* magnets
* music
* water
* fire
* air
* dirt
* solar eclipses
* caterpillars turning into butterflies
* children resembling their birth parents
* crows
* ghosts (wtf?)
* the midnight coast

Yes, stay in school. It will help you.... A LOT!!!!!

Thanks to Mike's blog for the ICP review.

[KC Elbows]

Sure it does... and that is exactly why you won't see form in the functional systems.

As I recall, there's a guy on Bullshido that came up with a bjj form. His bjj didn't stop working because of it.

Doing yoga does not prevent someone from being able to fight. Doing a form that is in keeping with the fighting one does could not be worse for their fighting than doing yoga.

[hskwarrior]

There are no applications hidden in forms. This is a fallacy that keeps getting brought up in the tcma. Techniques are done spontaneously in specific situations. The way to develop techniques is by developing them against actual moves you cannot avoid or keep getting hit by.

The form "founders" made up forms as away to memorize THEIR techniques. Everyone should develop their own "forms" based on their own techniques.

actually you're wrong. CLF forms are set up with fighting combo after fighting combo. BUT...where most get it wrong is they try to become the system instead of making the system part of them. the true key is to be able to apply CLF without thinking and on pure instinct.

you have KUNG FU fighters and then you have fighters who use Kung Fu. you most likely want to be the latter than the former. trying to fighting with classical gung fu in a modern setting is REDICULOUS

[EarthDragon]

poll of ignorance..........
1. knifefighter
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please vote now

[YouKnowWho]

there's a guy on Bullshido that came up with a bjj form.

It's not a bad idea after all. If that guy has 50 moves that he likes to use. He can teach his students as move #1, move #2, ..., move #50. Or he can link all 50 moves and make a form so he can give his students that form as text book.

[Knifefighter]

poll of ignorance..........
1. knifefighter
2. mysterious power


please vote now

Earth Dragon. Oh, yeah, he also gets the vote for fraudulent liar also.

[Knifefighter]

As I recall, there's a guy on Bullshido that came up with a bjj form. His bjj didn't stop working because of it.

Doing yoga does not prevent someone from being able to fight. Doing a form that is in keeping with the fighting one does could not be worse for their fighting than doing yoga.

Yoga improves flexibility. Forms instill incorrect neuromuscular adaptations.

[KC Elbows]

Yoga improves flexibility. Forms instill incorrect neuromuscular adaptations.

Longfist improves flexibility.

Some forms develop strength in the same manner as a squat.

One form, I believe from zhao bao taiji, does not link the moves, a move is done, then you return to empty, then another move from empty, etc.

Your blanket statement doesn't take into account most forms, only a particular type.

Additionally, some yoga has linked motion. Does this then teach "incorrect" neuromuscular adaptations?

[David Jamieson]

Yoga improves flexibility. Forms instill incorrect neuromuscular adaptations.

You really don't know anything after all. lol

That is the most awesomely ignorant thing you have said yet.

what forms did you ever learn? I suspect...none!

You know that there is forms that are hei gong? Oh wait, I guess you don't. You don't understand about forms that are more like yoga than they are for fighting techniques and that work on a person as opposed to a person fighting ability.

from the above statement, we can incontrovertibly know that all this time you have been arguing from ignorance.

right on man.

[David Jamieson]

Longfist improves flexibility.

Some forms develop strength in the same manner as a squat.

One form, I believe from zhao bao taiji, does not link the moves, a move is done, then you return to empty, then another move from empty, etc.

Your blanket statement doesn't take into account most forms, only a particular type.

Additionally, some yoga has linked motion. Does this then teach "incorrect" neuromuscular adaptations?

Hatha Yoga (the kind that the majority of people do) comes in three flavours and good teachings use all of them in one session.

You having moving asanas, balance asanas and seated asanas.

[Knifefighter]

You really don't know anything after all. lol

That is the most awesomely ignorant thing you have said yet.

what forms did you ever learn? I suspect...none!

You know that there is forms that are hei gong? Oh wait, I guess you don't. You don't understand about forms that are more like yoga than they are for fighting techniques and that work on a person as opposed to a person fighting ability.

from the above statement, we can incontrovertibly know that all this time you have been arguing from ignorance.

right on man.

Again, you can look at just about every single activity that has some form of objective measurement of performance to see the evidence that training is much more effective without forms.

[David Jamieson]

Again, you can look at just about every single activity that has some form of objective measurement of performance to see the evidence that training is much more effective without forms.

orly?

This coming from a guy who doesn't actually know any forms, doesn't practice them at all and apparently never really did and singularly focuses his interests in his chosen martial arts to the exclusion of all else.

[Knifefighter]

You know that there is forms that are hei gong? Oh wait, I guess you don't. You don't understand about forms that are more like yoga than they are for fighting techniques and that work on a person as opposed to a person fighting ability.

Forms that have nothing to do with fighting, but can improve a certain physical component, wont' hurt fighting. Most of them won't help, however, and there are more effective ways to train the various physical aspects.

[EarthDragon]

knifefighter,
sometimes its better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you dont know what the heck you are talking about then to open it and remove all doubt.

[hskwarrior]

Forms that have nothing to do with fighting, but can improve a certain physical component, wont' hurt fighting. Most of them won't help, however, and there are more effective ways to train the various physical aspects.

did we just witness a crack in his armor? did he just say something OK about forms?