Fighting Taijiquan

[Violent Designs]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlEkvxhtZwc

thoughts?

[Dragonzbane76]

you can show someone all day "theory" "philosophy", etc. Until you put it into application and the person see's it being used in resistance environment is when the "light" bulb will come on. I've always been of the mind set, "I will show you techniques, then I will show you them used in resistance"

Hey at least they are using boxing gloves, I guess it's a start.

[Eric Olson]

Check out Chen Zhonghua's clips if you want to see some Taiji applications:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DADYb...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ1OO...eature=related

(Not so sure about the kicks in that vid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6lSG...eature=related

EO

[Dragonzbane76]

Check out Chen Zhonghua's clips if you want to see some Taiji applications:

they would be more along the lines of demo's than anything else.

[bawang]

none of them keep their hands up or have a actual fighting stance, not even in a demo

[MysteriousPower]

Check out Chen Zhonghua's clips if you want to see some Taiji applications:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DADYb...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ1OO...eature=related

(Not so sure about the kicks in that vid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6lSG...eature=related

EO

Lame...lame

[Knifefighter]

This is much more realistic and what really happens when you have actual resisting opponents:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U76sVEStkFo

[David Jamieson]

This is much more realistic and what really happens when you have actual resisting opponents:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U76sVEStkFo

not exactly clean, but more lessony in scope.

more bridge strength is more interesting to watch because it requires more skill, strength and ability to sense and move.

shoulder to shoulder becomes a plain old shoving match.

[sanjuro_ronin]

William CC Chen's kids Max and Tiffany fight full contact, or used to anyways.

[bawang]

in kung fu demos lots of people keep their hands down and just stand there, have no fighting stance and have their student do a lunge punch. watch out for those people

[Knifefighter]

not exactly clean, but more lessony in scope.

more bridge strength is more interesting to watch because it requires more skill, strength and ability to sense and move.

shoulder to shoulder becomes a plain old shoving match.

Clean? Trying to actually manipulate an opponent is rarely "clean". Wrestling, judo, sambo, resisting Tai Chi... none of it will look "clean" because that's the way it happens when people actually resist.

[MysteriousPower]

not exactly clean, but more lessony in scope.

more bridge strength is more interesting to watch because it requires more skill, strength and ability to sense and move.

shoulder to shoulder becomes a plain old shoving match.

That is what push hands is David. Most of the crap on youtube was meant to be beginner level to teach you how to uproot for a throw eventually.

These gentlemen are the true push hands champions. They would go through all tai chi people like a knife through butter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEe-UIvftUg

[Knifefighter]

That is what push hands is David. Most of the crap on youtube was meant to be beginner level to teach you how to uproot for a throw eventually.

These gentlemen are the true push hands champions. They would go through all tai chi people like a knife through butter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEe-UIvftUg

This

[Eric Olson]

Well, the first clip was a "demo" too only the guy had boxing gloves on and the instructor was punching...so that somehow made it something different?

In my EXPERIENCE practicing applications with high level Taiji practitioners, the more you "resist" the worse it gets for you. (I'd put Chen Zhonghua in that category of high level practitioners.)

Maybe someone could recount how they practiced applications with someone at the level of Chen Zhonghua and got the upper hand through hard resistance....

The funny thing is I see a lot of the same skills in Judo, Shuai Chiao and BJJ. It's not about resisting...it's about listening to the opponent and finding the right opportunity to lock, strike or throw.

EO

[Knifefighter]

Well, the first clip was a "demo" too only the guy had boxing gloves on and the instructor was punching...so that somehow made it something different?

Nope, it was all just as unrealistic.

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In my EXPERIENCE practicing applications with high level Taiji practitioners, the more you "resist" the worse it gets for you. (I'd put Chen Zhonghua in that category of high level practitioners.)

Maybe someone could recount how they practiced applications with someone at the level of Chen Zhonghua and got the upper hand through hard resistance....

The funny thing is I see a lot of the same skills in Judo, Shuai Chiao and BJJ. It's not about resisting...it's about listening to the opponent and finding the right opportunity to lock, strike or throw.

Unless a "high level" Taji practioner is training and competing pretty much the way you saw in the clip I posted, they will never reach the skill level of those in actual competitive grappling sports.