Constructing a purely TCMA MMA? Can it be done?

[MasterKiller]

And you base your opinion on?
Monkey Boxing has groundwork. So that is at least one TCMA that has it.

CMA groundwork is based on the supposition that the attacker wants to remain standing. Even in Monkey. Even in that Tiger and "Shaolin" bullsh1t HW108 posted. No control of the opponent on the ground, or concern with securing a dominant position necessary to submit a trained, conditioned fighter.

And that third video is comic gold.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

CMA groundwork is based on the supposition that the attacker wants to remain standing. Even in Monkey. Even in that Tiger and "Shaolin" bullsh1t HW108 posted. No control of the opponent on the ground, or concern with securing a dominant position necessary to submit a trained, conditioned fighter.

And that third video is comic gold.

The best part of the third video is some tool You Tuber commenting saying he has never been beaten by a wrestler or BJJ guy It simply amazes me on a daily basis how utterly stupid some people are.

[Lucas]

Aren't the Sand Da people in China, from CMA backgrounds?

most certainly, though when those same individuals cross over to the mma sport world, you would be hard pressed to find a succesfull mma figher that has not decided to cross train in either judo, bjj, sambo, etc...

show me a cma school that has a ground fighting program that specializes in ground submissions without any cross training and can hold their own against a bjj blue belt. Or even a school that can show me adequate ground work to be able to get back to their feet when being controlled by a bjj black belt.

[MasterKiller]

Like in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=082E3...os=5fJuugoFrPQ

As soon as he pops his foot up, anyone with 3 months of real training is going to sweep him. This guy knows just enough to get his students seriously hurt.

[YouKnowWho]

What arts would you incorporate and why?

100% TCMA. No boxing, no MT, no wrestling, no Judo, no BJJ, no TKD, ...

- Longfist kick/punch.
- Longfist footwork.
- Longfist elbow.
- SC knee.
- Eagle Craw joint lock.
- Mantis hand combo.
- SC throw.

[David Jamieson]

Is it just me or has Youtube just become an annoying platform for advertising?
It sucks now more than ever.

It was bad enough having all the wannabe man on the street videos that are generally as lame as a run over possum, but now, it's just utter shyte.

where is a better site?

[pateticorecords]

The most notable CMA guy to emphasize the need to crosstrain?

You do realize Delucia got beaten silly by Royce Gracie and immediately started crosstraining, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN6PvPCrStI

And Cung Le and Luke Cummo certainly crosstrain.

I do understand the importance of cross training, I am all for it


I was only giving examples of fighters who have a CMA background not necessarily in the purist sense of it though

[pateticorecords]

All of the TCMA styles that you have quoted there will teach you potent Chi-na, if you train them in a genuine kwoon and under the guidance of an authentic kung fu sifu.

Exactally!!!!

If you have ever seen someone proficient in Chi Na Fa you will notice the similarties to their Japenese/Brazilian counterparts

[Lucas]

although on that same note, you can also see the differences.

[MasterKiller]

100% TCMA. No boxing, no MT, no wrestling, no Judo, no BJJ, no TKD, ...

- Longfist kick/punch.
- Longfist footwork.
- Longfist elbow.
- SC knee.
- Eagle Craw joint lock.
- Mantis hand combo.
- SC throw.

This is great, except there is no groundfighting here. And if you want MMA, you have to have a ground game.

[Lucas]

I do understand the importance of cross training, I am all for it


I was only giving examples of fighters who have a CMA background not necessarily in the purist sense of it though

I would hope we are all in agreement (minus a few select individuals) that cma certainly has serious material that can help advance a fighter.

[YouKnowWho]

This is great, except there is no groundfighting here. And if you want MMA, you have to have a ground game.

I don't know where I can find that in TCMA.

[Lucas]

i love that it say eagle craw lol

[Lucas]

I don't know where I can find that in TCMA.

that is his point. we cannot find the groundfighting degree we need for mma from a cma source.

edit: at this point adaption is behind the times. trying to adapt cma grappling on to the ground, from what ever source, would be a very long process that would span generations to reach the point of several arts that have already put in the decades to develop the game.

[pateticorecords]

I would hope we are all in agreement (minus a few select individuals) that cma certainly has serious material that can help advance a fighter.

Another thing that is important to understand is that a lot of the CMA or other MA training is not competitive in nature y more to preserve your life.

I have seen good MMA as well as MA get their asses handed to them in a real brawl. I have also seen skinny little dudes hit a guy twice his size in a vital area and have the big guy crumble like a cookie