Where's the Beef?

[MightyB]

Ok - pure TCMA wins!!! It's God's answer to all ranges of fighting. A person who has trained the realz kung fu cannot be beaten by man, machine, animal, groups of animals, barbarian hoards, and Nazi Zombie invasions!

Your arguments have proven to me that I haven't seen the realz kung fu... but I's uh-gott's to see the realz man. I want to see it... THE WORLD DESERVES to see it. I mean - what if we're invaded by alien overlords? We need's the realz kung fu to defend ourselves!!!

Sooo - tell me, show me... there has to be at least some person of dubious character that has studied the realz in the past 100 years. Someone who's forgone the sacred oaths of humility and succumbed to that madness of ego and let their realz kung fu out of the bag. Where's that person? We wants to see him. You know - there has to be a real kung fu master out there using his super human powers for hedonistic purposes... that guy who woke up one day and looked out at his dirt/subsistence farm and thought f-ck this... "I's a gonna make me some mullah and get me a house full o ho's!!! Those BJJ/MMAers won't know what's going to 'em!"

[hskwarrior]

where's the beef?

here! In my pants!!!!!!! :d:d:d

[MightyB]

this person with the realz kung fu... all they'd have to do is kick a Gracie's ass on camera and they'd have an instant multi-media empire!!! They'd be h3lla rich... so why not now? and don't give me that pure kung fu isn't for ego BS because someone, somewhere, would take advantage of it if it were that easy.

[hskwarrior]

this person with the realz kung fu... all they'd have to do is kick a Gracie's ass on camera and they'd have an instant multi-media empire!!! They'd be h3lla rich... so why not now? and don't give me that pure kung fu isn't for ego BS because someone, somewhere, would take advantage of it if it were that easy.

Anytime that you are on top you will have many who want to be the first to take you out. if you're an OG in the hood there will always be a BG that wants to take you out and claim that glory (yes on the street's its glorified to take out top ranked gang members.) Gracie's were reigning supreme but Matt Hughes proved that the MMA artist actually has given them a run for their money where others have failed.

however, for the Realz kung fu to get that type of glory it would have to be repeated more than once to prove it wasn't a fluke.

[MightyB]

Anytime that you are on top you will have many who want to be the first to take you out. if you're an OG in the hood there will always be a BG that wants to take you out and claim that glory (yes on the street's its glorified to take out top ranked gang members.) Gracie's were reigning supreme but Matt Hughes proved that the MMA artist actually has given them a run for their money where others have failed.

however, for the Realz kung fu to get that type of glory it would have to be repeated more than once to prove it wasn't a fluke.

That's my point - meaning, there should be a TCMA person out there with the capabilities to dominate the MA world if TCMA is the end-all be-all MA. That's a very lucrative position to be in financially... that alone should supersede any notion of honor or ego that's the usual excuse... at least for someone.

[MightyB]

That's my point - meaning, there should be a TCMA person out there with the capabilities to dominate the MA world if TCMA is the end-all be-all MA. That's a very lucrative position to be in financially... that alone should supersede any notion of honor or ego that's the usual excuse... at least for someone.

Man I sound like a jerk -

I do love the idea of kung fu. I love it when I can go to my old Mantis school even though I sound like a bullshido troll on this forum.

[SPJ]

it is a circle or tide

comes and goes, goes round and round.

karate in 1950s

judo, aikido in 1960s

kung fu in 1970s

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mma/bjj in 1990s

all styles of MA existed long before their each popular period

so which will be the next phase or popular one?

where is the beef?

it is between the this and next popular style?

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[MightyB]

I think it's the notion of "Gong" and "Sau" that's messed up TCMA. Hard and Soft.

There's a saying that says that you use soft to lead the hard technique but hard technique to kill. This is a great notion and great philosophy but it's spoken and told by a master as a reflection on his lifetime.

Think of A-B-C. C is the pinnacle, but it takes A, then B, to get to C. Because we know what the pinnacle is, we fixate on C foregoing A, and B.

I think about that clip of x-treme tai chi. They are exploring A. It is rough and barbaric. But through genuinely exploring A... they'll get to B (yielding). It's the only way where they can get to the pinnacle of softness and yielding which is between B and C. C is perfection.

[SPJ]

my point was it is all repackaging of the same stuff.

there are hard stuff in tai chi

but somehow, most people are not talking about that.

sale pitches come and go.

stand up vs ground game, grappling vs striking

so and so

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it is all rewraping of the same gift/present/stuff.

it is like fashion

long trousers, midi, ,mini skirts

long hairs, short hairs, curly vs straight

high heel, flat sole shoes

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what is in now at MA scene?

what is out now?

what is the next in?

hwat is beyond mma/bjj phase?

[hskwarrior]

Man I sound like a jerk -

I do love the idea of kung fu. I love it when I can go to my old Mantis school even though I sound like a bullshido troll on this forum.

NO! Gung Fu people SHOULD be aware of this. We all went through some decades of peaceful times with nothing to wake TCMA up. WE ALL should be very concerned. Because in the past we had "KICKBOXING" to tell us if our stuff was any good. The playing field has changed now from stand up to ground fighting. I would venture to say HALF of MMA has a low level type of Stand Up...others have been trained in other stand up systems prior to MMA so they're hands may be pretty good.

I am one of those TCMA types that DO believe in training effectively and making sure what you training works. Those egotistical instructors who think they are impervious to ground fighting because their stand up game is sooooo good they will thwart a ground gamer with ease needs to WAKE the eff up.

[David Jamieson]

How does Gracie stand up to a swordsman?

[Lucas]

punchline:

they dont if their legs are missing.


OHHH badabing

[Iron_Eagle_76]

it is a circle or tide

comes and goes, goes round and round.

karate in 1950s

judo, aikido in 1960s

kung fu in 1970s

---

mma/bjj in 1990s

all styles of MA existed long before their each popular period

so which will be the next phase or popular one?

where is the beef?

it is between the this and next popular style?

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I think the next popular style will be jousting. We had a throwback to ancient greece and Pankration with MMA, now we need a throwback to medievel europe and jousting, only with no armor. It would be "teh deadly".

[David Jamieson]

I think that empty hand stuff is secondary to weapons work when the weapons were really relevant, before the advent of ubiquitous firearms usage.

The military martial arts were not that heavy in the empty handed work but were more likely specialized and compartmentalized for a soldier of given rank.

Pikemen would work with their pikes to the exclusivity of all else.
Spearmen the same, swordsman, etc. Of course there is crossover and so on, but you get the idea.

Arts that were supplemental to military martial knowledge were often mixed in with them and would became part of them. These would be medical arts such as qigong, perhaps yoga and other forms of bodywork.

But pugilism in the defensive sense is unique to religious or spiritual martial arts.

Nowadays, it's not uncommon to find single schools that have an aspect of each of these. It's like a synthesis of the formerly separate forms of arts that used physical regimes for health, military skill and religious/spiritual insight.

Obviously, the military portion of the program is what is valued most these days with the medical stuff only adopted by a few and the religious/spiritual stuff all over the place.

meh, what are you gonna do?

[Lucas]

I think the next popular style will be jousting. We had a throwback to ancient greece and Pankration with MMA, now we need a throwback to medievel europe and jousting, only with no armor. It would be "teh deadly".

on sport bikes.