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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post

    Kung Fu envelopes more than fighting. If one would like to focus only on that, they surely can, but if someone wants to learn Kung Fu, they will be guided towards their own Kung Fu which is to cultivate the entirety of the person.

    I don't have that disconnect, why should you?
    There's no disconnect. Pretty much every single person in the "MMA" camp has stated categorically we completely agree with someone doing kung fu for non-fighting purposes.

    We make fun of the people who extrapolate the non-fighting to the fighting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    I don't watch chop sockey flicks per se. Let it be known.

    I don't think your opinion of martial arts is influenced by a Kung Fu sifu either.

    Like I said elsewhere, if it is your goal to only punch or kick or rather to learn to fight, then a Kung Fu school is probably not the best place for you as you will not enjoy all the other aspects.

    People who favour the visceral act of fighting will not change the actual process of gaining Kung Fu in ones life.

    I don't know why people bother trying. As if their few short years on the planet and their limited experience in any way trumps a mindform and a construct that is nearly ageless.

    It's laughable to read such things actually.

    how do you know this construct is that old? Were you around centuries ago to see if the masters of old followed this path?


    Again youre too eaisly influenced by myths and tall tales

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokhopkuen View Post
    In the formative years of my generation we were force fed manners. Yes sir, no mamma were the first words out of your mouth or you got the back hand. Now a day young people have no respect for adults and are openly contemptuous of elderly folks.
    Then again who can blame them. Role models are far and few between.

    And now here we are in the realm of the modern Gladiator. Steroids, tight pants some chain link and the spectacle is on. I have been trying to put a finger on where the mannerless unskilled windbags were coming from on this forum and suddenly i spied the culprit.

    The MMA Paradyne....

    Training martial skill without balancing the mind or tempering the ego.
    The rules are simple:
    Fight fight fight, kill kill kill, techniques galor, no art to speak of just entertainment for the dirty masses.

    The MMA touting buffoons who populate this forum go on about the fact that if you are not in a life or death struggle with another scantly clad steroid gladiator resisting your amorous advances then your martial art ain't real and you are waisting your time. or if you have not "fought full contact" to entertain an audience populated by blood luting cowards You suck suck suck.

    If you listen to the ones “subtly” promoting their business with "stealth" and "cunning" their arguments are so persuasive along with forum members who respect them (who in reality are their friends / business partners/ a ss pal) you might even doubt yourself since by nature we all bend to conformity to "fit in"?

    Fact is the majority of these guys are either A.) confused military paper pushers somewhere in the rear with the gear wasting military net bandwith on facebook and kungfumagazine forums, B.) disgruntled former TCMA practitioners who studied for decades giving away a fortune only to discover they learned the special “quai low” fist while their asian classmates got the real behind closed doors.. (these people do the most damage to the reputation of gung fu, well them and their greedy racists teachers.) and last but not least the C.) the martial art butterfly, cowards who lack dedication, fortitude, backbone, character, morality never stuck with any system more than a few months. A little JKD here, a few dog brothers bruises there, some bodies in motion cardio kick boxing brewed up with the pathetic aping of the good old BJJ. The biggest belly laugh is these low level skill less wannabes hanging off of the formidable Gracie nut hairs claiming greatness via proxy. History has shown us its share of great tough men who go into the world and rip out a place in the sun. Then their spoiled children who knowing only the good life matriculate into useless spineless full of noise all bark no bite shadows of their progenitors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knifefighter View Post
    There's no disconnect. Pretty much every single person in the "MMA" camp has stated categorically we completely agree with someone doing kung fu for non-fighting purposes.

    We make fun of the people who extrapolate the non-fighting to the fighting.
    What is the non-fighting that gets extrapolated to fighting? How is that done anyway? Am I to meditate someone else unconcious? lol, I don't think that is possible.

    Can I qigong someone to death? Bleed them out with my lion dance skills?

    I am not certain what it is you are referencing here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goju View Post
    how do you know this construct is that old? Were you around centuries ago to see if the masters of old followed this path?


    Again youre too eaisly influenced by myths and tall tales
    I went to school, have access to libraries and over the years have culminated knowledge on the subject.

    Having read many unrelated yet related to martial arts books you make the connections that way and ultimately will be able to speak to what is probable and what is not.

    That's how I know the construct is that old without having to be around centuries ago.

    May I suggest -the analects- / -the art of war- / -the tao te ching - / -Buddhism in China- / -the I Ching - / and more recently -The Shaolin Monastery - as some reading on the subject matter we are talking about here?

    there are numerous books in english even in regards to this subject of morality, ethics, philosophy and martial arts

    even in context to chop sockey flicks, you don't think those ideas were lifted quite often from what came before and then formatted into entertainment suitable to the spirit of the times it is created in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    What is the non-fighting that gets extrapolated to fighting? How is that done anyway? Am I to meditate someone else unconcious? lol, I don't think that is possible.

    Can I qigong someone to death? Bleed them out with my lion dance skills?

    I am not certain what it is you are referencing here.
    Extrapolating fighting techniques from forms.

    Manipulating people without touching them.

    Using too dangerous to practice techniques in place of proven ones.

    Ripping someone's ribs out.

    Etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    I went to school, have access to libraries and over the years have culminated knowledge on the subject.

    Having read many unrelated yet related to martial arts books you make the connections that way and ultimately will be able to speak to what is probable and what is not.

    That's how I know the construct is that old without having to be around centuries ago.

    May I suggest -the analects- / -the art of war- / -the tao te ching - / -Buddhism in China- / -the I Ching - / and more recently -The Shaolin Monastery - as some reading on the subject matter we are talking about here?

    there are numerous books in english even in regards to this subject of morality, ethics, philosophy and martial arts

    even in context to chop sockey flicks, you don't think those ideas were lifted quite often from what came before and then formatted into entertainment suitable to the spirit of the times it is created in?

    lol this is your proof? No again you have no idea how the masters of old conducted themselves. Yes for example buddishm existed in the country on a wide spread degree does that mean every one followed it or were even good buddhists for that matter?

    NO

    We might as well say every country was full of just noble defenders of peace of and virtue because their lands produced various philosophical texts arguing for or some form of enlightenment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goju View Post
    lol this is your proof? No again you have no idea how the masters of old conducted themselves. Yes for example buddishm existed in the country on a wide spread degree does that mean every one followed it or were even good buddhists for that matter?

    NO

    We might as well say every country was full of just noble defenders of peace of and virtue because their lands produced various philosophical texts arguing for or some form of enlightenment.
    seriously, you need to study.

    In order to understand the effect of Mahayana Buddhism for instance, it is important to understand how it was viewed in it's time and it was a huge departure from the typical form of Buddhism which preceded it and yes, it allowed for exposure of Buddhism to a much wider audience.

    How is it that you think the masters of old conducted themselves? You seem to think you know by virtue of not knowing. A very interesting concept!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    seriously, you need to study.

    In order to understand the effect of Mahayana Buddhism for instance, it is important to understand how it was viewed in it's time and it was a huge departure from the typical form of Buddhism which preceded it and yes, it allowed for exposure of Buddhism to a much wider audience.

    How is it that you think the masters of old conducted themselves? You seem to think you know by virtue of not knowing. A very interesting concept!
    Study what? Folk tales that are passed on and distorted by each generation? Sorry it's common knowledge that various historical figures and events are romanticised and exaggerated. The further back in history you go the more this occurs so immediately taking the accounts of some master from hundreds of years ago as fact shows lack of of a cognizant thought process.

    The same can be said of assuming that a religion being installed in a country automatically produces countless people of upstanding moral character. Again history has shown the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wenshu View Post
    This.

    There is an inherent contradiction in posting about lofty ideals such as humility, honor and respect, then immediately proceeding to flame someone on another thread with profane insults, egotistical self promotion and outright threats.

    An often over looked but no less vital part of 武得; the posting on public forums of pornography. Lots of pornography.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knifefighter View Post
    Extrapolating fighting techniques from forms.

    Manipulating people without touching them.

    Using too dangerous to practice techniques in place of proven ones.

    Ripping someone's ribs out.

    Etc
    You're so bad you rip your own ribs out and have lunch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokhopkuen View Post
    You're so bad you rip your own ribs out and have lunch
    OK, so let me ask you a serious question:

    When you see clips like the one where the guy was talking about doing that, are you embarrassed that someone would make a completely unsubstantiated claim like that for something that you have dedicated yourself to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goju View Post
    Study what? Folk tales that are passed on and distorted by each generation? Sorry it's common knowledge that various historical figures and events are romanticised and exaggerated. The further back in history you go the more this occurs so immediately taking the accounts of some master from hundreds of years ago as fact shows lack of of a cognizant thought process.

    The same can be said of assuming that a religion being installed in a country automatically produces countless people of upstanding moral character. Again history has shown the opposite.
    folk tales? no. historical treatises and works of ruminations related to the subject are much more enlightening on the matter than folk tales.

    folk tales are all too often highly anecdotal or completely allegorical in scope and intent. so, they can provide insight in context to the here and now, or not, but not a lot beyond that.

    However, records, compiled and formatted for understanding in context to the subject? Jackpot! And those are absolutely available to anyone who wants to look for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knifefighter View Post
    OK, so let me ask you a serious question:

    When you see clips like the one where the guy was talking about doing that, are you embarrassed that someone would make a completely unsubstantiated claim like that for something that you have dedicated yourself to?
    You don't think that was entertainment? I mean, the show is called "manswers" for cripes sake and it is developed to help 16 year old boys feel like they are in the know about the secrets of life. lol Also to humour older gents who can actually separate reality from the jibba jabba of juvenile musings.

    come on. I mean, hahahahahahahahahahaha...really?

    p.s what you said "that's fine" too is pretty much how I started training in Boxing, Karate and Kung Fu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    You don't think that was entertainment? I mean, the show is called "manswers" for cripes sake and it is developed to help 16 year old boys feel like they are in the know about the secrets of life. lol Also to humour older gents who can actually separate reality from the jibba jabba of juvenile musings.
    Doesn't matter who the audience is. I can't imagine a functional sport model fighter making that claim and not getting laughed at by the entire community as a fraud.

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