Throws of the north?

[Northwind]

I've seen recent threads within posts that bring mention of throws within TCMA (at least there's a minute thank you to mma guys), and I see people talking about them. A couple of people compare them to the Japanese arts and use Japanese terminology - for me this means nothing as I've no experience with Japanese throwing arts.

However, being a Northern Shaolin practitioner, I find a lot of throws etc. in our systems and can see that other Northern styles/sub-styles would have similar.

I guess my question is ... is this a northern thing? Or do some southern systems also have these little goodies in there as well?

[SPJ]

Shuai jiao is popular in the north. Qing court had shuai jiao camp. Most if not all northern styles also train shuai jiao. It is like tan tui incorporated in all northern styles. Moslem, Mongolian shuai jiao etc were all merged.

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[Northwind]

Although I agree that many northern styles have throws (like my original posit), I would not say that "Most if not all northern styles also train shuai jiao". That I pretty strongly disagree with (unless you are using the name of a style to represent symbolically a type of technique). The first throws etc. I learned came from Tan Tui, so I definitely like your inclusion of it here.

Still curious to know if any southern systems have this type of thing in them or not, as my exposure to southern styles is limited.

[YouKnowWho]

I've seen recent threads within posts that bring mention of throws within TCMA (at least there's a minute thank you to mma guys),

First, I brought that subject up and I'm 100% TCMA guy. There is no need to thanks to MMA guys. The "throwing skill" is not emphasized in MMA. It's emphasized in Chinese Sanshou/Sanda (1 point for kick/punch, 2 points for throw). It will be interested to list all the throws that we can find in the northern CMA system.

There are about 60 different categories of throws. IMO, the Longfist, Mantis, and Taiji have the following categories throws.

1. 踢(Ti) Forward kick
2. 撮(Cuo) Scooping kick
3. 撞T(Zhuang) runk hitting
4, 靠(Kao) Advance squeeze
5. 彈(Tan) Spring
6. 穿(Chuan) Fireman's carry
7. 扣(Kou) Knee Seize
8. 切(Qie) Front cut
9. 撳(Qin) press

Can someone help me to extend this list?

[Northwind]

Well that's awesome!
Unfortunately, I don't know what those mean. I never learned many of the poetic or Chinese names for the movements within the forms (and am trying to pick them up as time goes on, via avenues such as this). Do you have any youtubes you could point me to in reference to the different names?

That way I can say to myself, well this move is actually called blah blah, so no need for me to mention it - as it's already been done. But if it's something different I can say this is a throw we do, but I have no name for it (and perhaps you/others can tell me the proper name).

[YouKnowWho]

May be it's easier the other way around. We can describe a TCMA throw and then we try to map to the category name. This way we can see how many throws that we have.

For example, the Mantis "waist chop" can be executed in 3 different ways.

- 切(Qie) Front cut
- 撮(Cuo) Scooping kick
- 踢(Ti) Forward kick

[bawang]

i think its a northern thing man. i think southern kung fu is afraid of physical touching
mongolian and manchu dominate wrestling.

[YouKnowWho]

mongolian and manchu dominate wrestling.

I would call that "muslim Chinese" dominate SC instead. The 3 major SC branches in China are Beijing, Tianjin, and Baoding (all in Hebei province). Almost 100% muslim Chinese trained SC in those 3 major cities. The Chinese muslim call SC as "the monority Chinese self-defense skill".

[YouKnowWho]

Do you have any youtubes you could point me to in reference to the different names?

David C. K. Lin in Atlanta, GA has a new book that may have everything that you need if you are interesting in the Chinese throwing art.

http://combatshuaichiao.com/merchandise.html