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    Quote Originally Posted by Yum Cha View Post
    Integrating foot checking,
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    Another Chin na question....

    Do you grab with the thumb, first and second finger, or with the thumb and the last three fingers, with a loose index? Or does it vary?
    - The eagle claw system grabs with the thumb, first and second finger.
    - The Mantis system grabs with the thumb and the last three fingers.
    - The SC system grabs with all 5 fingers.
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 11-05-2010 at 04:09 AM.

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    heres a list for you, youknowwho this is from 8 step mantis and my notebook.


    1. GO
    2. SWAI
    3. KO
    4. BOW
    5. CHING
    6. SHAW
    7. SWA
    8 CHEIDA
    9. LABIE
    10. BUNG TIAO
    11. DING KUAI
    12. DIAO LOU
    13. AN CHI
    14. TWAI DUNG
    15. YA TIAO
    16. TAN HING
    17. JIAN TUI
    18. DA HUH
    19. CHAN TUI
    20. LIKANG
    21. CHUAN DANG
    22. SO BEI
    23. SO HUH
    24. SAN BA BIE
    25. ZA BA BIE
    26. JIA LIANG TI
    27. CHEN DI TI
    29. XIA BA DENG
    28 SAN BA DENG
    30. FEN SOU KANG
    31. LUO SOU BIE
    32. ZUA WAI CHUAI
    33. HUN TUI KANG
    34. TUAN DANG KOW
    35. MA BOU TI
    36. KAU TUI DI
    37. XUEN BU TI
    38. QUI TUI DA HUH
    39. LOW
    40. FAN TI
    Last edited by EarthDragon; 11-05-2010 at 04:16 AM.
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    Let me try to translate this list (some I just can't find the right Chinese character for it):

    1. GO - upward hook
    2. SWAI - ?
    3. KO - knee seize
    4. BOW - embrace
    5. CHING - downward pulling
    6. SHAW - sharpen
    7. SWA - ?
    8 CHEIDA - front cut strike
    9. LABIE - pulling block
    10. BUNG TIAO - leg lift
    11. DING KUAI - knee lift
    12. DIAO LOU - diagonal pulling
    13. AN CHI - knee press
    14. TWAI DUNG - ?
    15. YA TIAO - leg lift
    16. TAN HING - spring
    17. JIAN TUI - leg seize
    18. DA HUH - inner hook
    19. CHAN TUI - leg twist
    20. LIKANG - ?
    21. CHUAN DANG - fireman's carry I
    22. SO BEI - hand block
    23. SO HUH - hand harmony
    24. SAN BA BIE - upperbody control leg block
    25. ZA BA BIE - lower body control leg block
    26. JIA LIANG TI - arm locking kick
    27. CHEN DI TI - forward marching kick
    29. XIA BA DENG - lower body control ?
    28 SAN BA DENG - upper body control ?
    30. FEN SOU KANG - shoulder carry
    31. LUO SOU BIE - arm pulling leg block
    32. ZUA WAI CHUAI - outer bowing
    33. HUN TUI KANG - shoulder carry
    34. TUAN DANG KOW - fireman's carry II
    35. MA BOU TI - neck mopping kick
    36. KAU TUI DI - ?
    37. XUEN BU TI - kick?
    38. QUI TUI DA HUH - knee down inner hook
    39. LOW - outer hook
    40. FAN TI - foot sweep against foot sweep
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 11-05-2010 at 04:37 AM.

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    thats awesome, I know these throws like the back of my hand but in application.. LOL not in translation, my chinese sounds OK verbally but i still cant read or write it.
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    That's a lot of throws there. I don't believe they all came from 8 step Mantis system. Some throws must come from "cross training".

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    actually they are all in 8 step from master Feng Hua Yi, he was a shuai Jaio and eagle claw master and took 40 of the throws from Shuai Jiao and added them to his shifu's (Chiang Hui Long) newly designed plumb flower hybrid system ba bu
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    That explain it. It's very difficult to find any CMA style to have that many throws.

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    yes we are quite lucky, though some dont work on certain opponets, size, height, weight, flexibility etc etc so you pick and choose.

    8 step is a hybrid of 14 other styles so we kinda got the best of alot of worlds all put into 1 system, this is why i love it so much. I dont have to look to fill any voids like i did with karate or hung gar
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    Someone, quick, write down all the Chinese names - it is almost impossible to get these lists anymore
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    Choy Lee Fut is a southern system with some northern roots. It has a lot of kam na/ chin na grappling but doesn't emphasize pure throwing skills. It features a lot of attacking the horse, unbalancing, takedown or knockdown skills but operates mainly as a boxing system.

    The so-called "Tibetan" schools of Lama, White Crane and Hop Ga were developed in Gwangdong but retained most of their northern heritage. They include a lot of throws which my teacher referred to as Mongolian wrestling.

    I've trained in Mongolian wrestling and don't see many similarities. Besides the grips and the forward-leaning clinch the main difference is in the footwork. Mongolian wrestling does not allow the heels to touch the ground (because of the structure of the boots worn in competition). Some have suggested that there is or was a "combat" style of Tibetan and Mongolian wrestling that was the basis for our system but I have seen no evidence of it.

    I see a closer affinity to northern shuai jiao with its propensity for debilitating throws and possible combat applications. Could be that Tibetan, Mongolian, Manchurian and otherwise northern wrestling styles have always been intertwined. Those folks really got around. Know how the first Dalai Lama got his title? Mongolian politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Let me try to translate this list (some I just can't find the right Chinese character for it):

    1. GO - upward hook
    2. SWAI - ?
    3. KO - knee seize
    4. BOW - embrace
    5. CHING - downward pulling
    6. SHAW - sharpen
    7. SWA - ?
    8 CHEIDA - front cut strike
    9. LABIE - pulling block
    10. BUNG TIAO - leg lift
    11. DING KUAI - knee lift
    12. DIAO LOU - diagonal pulling
    13. AN CHI - knee press
    14. TWAI DUNG - ?
    15. YA TIAO - leg lift
    16. TAN HING - spring
    17. JIAN TUI - leg seize
    18. DA HUH - inner hook
    19. CHAN TUI - leg twist
    20. LIKANG - ?
    21. CHUAN DANG - fireman's carry I
    22. SO BEI - hand block
    23. SO HUH - hand harmony
    24. SAN BA BIE - upperbody control leg block
    25. ZA BA BIE - lower body control leg block
    26. JIA LIANG TI - arm locking kick
    27. CHEN DI TI - forward marching kick
    29. XIA BA DENG - lower body control ?
    28 SAN BA DENG - upper body control ?
    30. FEN SOU KANG - shoulder carry
    31. LUO SOU BIE - arm pulling leg block
    32. ZUA WAI CHUAI - outer bowing
    33. HUN TUI KANG - shoulder carry
    34. TUAN DANG KOW - fireman's carry II
    35. MA BOU TI - neck mopping kick
    36. KAU TUI DI - ?
    37. XUEN BU TI - kick?
    38. QUI TUI DA HUH - knee down inner hook
    39. LOW - outer hook
    40. FAN TI - foot sweep against foot sweep
    Is that a curriculum, or just names that apply to techniques?
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    This is the names of the throws 8 step uses from shuai jiao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yum Cha View Post
    Is that a curriculum, or just names that apply to techniques?
    Both the Ti and Bie principles all contain more than 30 different throws. That's how complicate the Chinese throwing art is. Chinese old saying said, "The major Chinese throw contain 360 throws. The number of the minor Chinese throws can be as many as the number of hair on a cow's body."

    26. 架樑踢JIA LIANG TI - arm locking kick
    27. 前进踢CHEN DI TI - forward marching kick

    24. 上把别SAN BA BIE - upperbody control leg block
    25. 下把别ZA BA BIE - lower body control leg block
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 11-05-2010 at 02:29 PM.

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    Some of the throws I use in MMA I learned in mantis. Most people think they came from Judo, prob cuz they are exactly like some of the ones in Judo. The Hung Ga school I was in did some throws and they supplemented with SC every couple weeks. But my Hung Gar sifu put more emphasis on just blasting through and going hulk smash. He was also very big so.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Both the Ti and Bie principles all contain more than 30 different throws. That's how complicate the Chinese throwing art is. Chinese old saying said, "The major Chinese throw contain 360 throws. The number of the minor Chinese throws can be as many as the number of hair on a cow's body."

    26. 架樑踢JIA LIANG TI - arm locking kick
    27. 前进踢CHEN DI TI - forward marching kick

    24. 上把别SAN BA BIE - upperbody control leg block
    25. 下把别ZA BA BIE - lower body control leg block
    excellent, with chinese characters

    I was getting a headache, just trying to figure out what they are in chinese.


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