周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
well that and the fact that you're not in a rush to get the fight over as a street guy would be.In another thread, almost universally people remarked that in reality they had had harder fights in the ring than on the street.
There's just that element of risk...
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
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it's funny, but I've actually had teachers who while understanding the moral issues, admitted that going out and testing your Gung-Fu was the best way.
But, I agree that the sportfighting that is available to us now is the best course of action.
I guess I was lucky. My Tang Soo Do instructor trained PKA fighters,and we had a few pro fighters in our school, so I was able to get regular beatings. But I also took jobs in security and at bars for the non-sport training.
in retrospect, working security for the Tower of Power concert promoted by the black student's union might not have been the wisest of choices...
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Once you get past that milestone, the chaos abates a bit and you can really work technique.
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Good post.Originally Posted by hskwarrior
I would only point out that if there's some guy beating his wife or gf in public, if you do choose to intervene, watch out. Chances are the woman will turn on you and back up her man.
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
true very true.Good post.
I would only point out that if there's some guy beating his wife or gf in public, if you do choose to intervene, watch out. Chances are the woman will turn on you and back up her man.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
Richard A. Tolson
This was typical in our area in the 70's. However, when I started teaching I discouraged it in every situation except challenge matches.
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And under Ohio law if the wife started the altercation she does not have the right to "self-defense". If you aid her the law will see YOU as the aggressor, not the defender.
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Very interesting. I did not see that thread but I have had a small handfull of ring fights compared to many more real fights and I have no doubt that the ring fights were by far the hardest, at least in terms of effort/work rate. Granted, I probably needed to have many more ring fights to give a more balanced view. Everyone I know with similar experiences says the same. On the other hand, I have known a few very experienced sports fighters- including a couple of national title holders, who think the opposite (i.e - ring fighting is much easier than street fighting). In my view this is simply because they are not violent by nature and can't override their programming. From my limited experience, most 'streetfighters' make terrible sport fighters as in most cases they can't adapt and have great difficulty dealing with the fact that in general their blitzkrieg type assaults are largely useless against well conditioned opponents, particularly once the element of surprise and intimidation are largely negated.
In my opinion the harder thing about 'steet' fighting is that the injuries are far worse and so are the implications. It does get a bit hard/difficult to keep going at times when your head is being stomped in. God bless referees.
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I think you have missed the most important difference between street fighting and sports fighting.
The most important difference (in my opinion and experience) is the psychological difference.
In a sports fight, even a tough one, you are still well within your safety zone. You know that win or lose, when its done tomorrow will be the same as today.
A street fight is not like that at all. Off course the opponents are no way near as skilled. But when you look in someones eyes and you see they want to kill you, and your not even sure why, then its a pretty nasty thing. It makes all sorts of instinctual body reactions happen that don't in a ring fight.
YOu know that tomorrow is not going to be the same as today. Either you get seriously hurt (mentally and physically) or you are going to seriously hurt someone else (Its not so easy to bring yourself to do it). Not only that but EVERYONE is going to know what happened. The police will be involved. There will be legal action. What if you kill someone? What if someone is killed because you couldn't stop it? What if you are killed? Your life could change forever based on your reaction in the next few seconds. In less than a second this all enters your head and it confuses you and stays your hand.
If you are experienced you can stop these thoughts and make a quick decision. But all the ring fighting in the world doesn't prepare you for that moment.
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That might be true.The most important difference (in my opinion and experience) is the psychological difference.
IMHO, the main difference and an important one is that street fighting has less rules to comply with, and thus less ethical. It does not mean to me that it is wrong. Because why the fight occurs is different. In street fighting, quite often one is being forced to fight. And the stakes are usually higher than those in sports fighting.
P.S. I have met a x%#%xxx guy before who said that street fighting has no rule.
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周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
Nah, i never forgot that. i may not have put it down in this thread but i never forgot that.The most important difference (in my opinion and experience) is the psychological difference.
I did say that a street fighter can go from 0-60 and the above is the reason why. If you don't have that KILLER in you you won't survive anyone beating you up on the streets. But the look in his eye does not scare me as much as his INTENT...a look can't kill you but his intent can.A street fight is not like that at all. Off course the opponents are no way near as skilled. But when you look in someones eyes and you see they want to kill you, and your not even sure why, then its a pretty nasty thing. It makes all sorts of instinctual body reactions happen that don't in a ring fight.
yes. i agree here. For example, i got that good mean mug face and people i've come across say i look mean. I'd take all of that when i'm alone and when most people would walk around a group of young thugs i'd have a habit of walking through the center of them as they would open up a path and let me through. i show no fear and for being s short fat guy people are assuming i'd be a push over. but thats not really the case. LOLThe most important difference (in my opinion and experience) is the psychological difference.
This is why every street fighter i know wants and hopes someone stops the fight because once its on someone is going to get hurt. If not, the fight goes on till one person stops moving.YOu know that tomorrow is not going to be the same as today. Either you get seriously hurt (mentally and physically) or you are going to seriously hurt someone else (Its not so easy to bring yourself to do it).
And i disagree that its not an easy thing to do to want to hurt someone. it may not be easy to do for someone in the suburbs or someone who hasn't experienced inner city violence. but where i grew up, if you do not fight to hurt someone you are going to be the one that gets hurt. this is how i grew up.
Just ask any person that lives in the hood if he's afraid of going to jail for getting into a fight. i bet you the number of people who say NO will be greater than the people that say yes.Not only that but EVERYONE is going to know what happened. The police will be involved. There will be legal action.
This is all an accepted idea and is the reason people in the hood fight so hard. so they don't get killed. but growing up in that environment people are conditioned for the worst case scenario. like i've said in the past, my older brother lost his eye in a fight and in another one he was stabbed in his chest and it ripped down his bicep. got pictures to show for it too.What if someone is killed because you couldn't stop it? What if you are killed? Your life could change forever based on your reaction in the next few seconds.
I've been involved in fights at a party where afterwards the other party came back and shot up the restaurant some of our friends were in. One guy got shot in the head and was blinded for life. people in San Francisco accept this way of life. some don't like it, but the ones that live it have no choice but to accept it cause they're not well off enough to move out of it.
When you have to live the streets you become the streets. you not only know how to fight, but you know how to pick and chose your fights, know when to run for your life or fight for it. those who live PLEASANTVILLE types of lives will never comprehend what it takes to live in the hood. But if you're born into it, you learn things much faster in life than others....like fighting. My first fight in fact took place when i was four years old. No sh!t. my older brother would back that up because he was there and was the one who pushed me to fight back when i got punched in the face by a kid two years older than me.
I guess you can say my older bro is the one who started me fighting because man he used to kick my arse. i we were so poor growing up he talked me into sparring with him when i was like 6 or 7 and he put socks over his hands telling me they were like boxing gloves and that it wouldn't hurt.....WHAT A MUDDA CHUKKIN LIAR! LOL
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Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
NIII
the trick is to make sure its always drastically unfair.... in your favor, of course...
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
exactly.the trick is to make sure its always drastically unfair.... in your favor, of course...
I understand the psychology of the streets because of being born there...didn't MOVE there i was born in the hood.
@RenDaHai: I do understand the psychology of the streets and even use it to teach my students. For example, if you've been in a street confrontation with an intimidating person you'd notice that he STARES deep into your eyes trying to instill that fear in you that he's gonna MOIDALIZE you! Cause he's a MAN..a TOUGH MAN...you're nothing but a punk in his eyes. so getting all up in your face is part of that intimidation.
So i tell me students the one thing an intimidating person hates is when you stand up to him cause then's is a game of who's better at getting in your face. STARE back in their eyes and keep the focus RIGHT THERE....EYE TO EYE....and when you're ready hit him in the nuts so hard you lift him off the floor. i won't punch, we have a rising crane hand that we use in CLF and i'll hit you in the nuts so hard you can rename them SCRAMBLED EGGS. a nut shot is so much more effective when the guy isn't prepared for it. make ya wanna die. LOL
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
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I enjoy reading threads like this. I was born into the streets of Los Angeles. All my life outside of my apartment there is gang writing (graffiti) everywhere. Even on the trees. It's their way of decorating their territory. But I just look at them as roaches in this concrete jungle. They're just pests without discipline or honor.
I jog to the gym several times a week in these graffiti covered streets at whatever time I want, even late at night and they never mess with me. Because I don't give them ****, but at the same time I'm fearless, and they know if they gave me **** I'd knock all their front teeth out. So often they cross the street when I'm walking towards them because I walk with warrior spirit, that makes them afraid without me even saying anything.
My uncle has no martial art experience, but yet he has been in over 60 street fights and out of all of them he has never been knocked to his ass even once. He's not a big man either, I'd say about 5.8, 170 pounds. Out of all the experienced fighters I know he is the one with the most warrior spirit.
When you enter in a fight with him, you're already dead he says. There is no chance that you can beat him in his own mind. And this is a guy without martial arts training. Though he has served time. People like him would be able to defeat most martial artists despite their training. Because I know plenty of martial artists that are actually pussies, despite their training, like vegetarians or scared of non venomous snakes for examples.
So I believe more than the actual training itself, it is the mind of a fighter that makes you potent in a real fight. It is the mind and intent to be able to think there is no way in hell this guy can beat me, and you have already lost by even looking at me the wrong way. That is what it takes to win a serious fight without rules.
Sport fights are not street fights. That's not to say sport fights aren't serious, but at the same time. A lot of sport fighters would not have the mind to be able to handle the crazy and vicious guys of the street. To beat these guys on the street you have to be ready to be more vicious than them.
Chances are though if you can afford $100+ a month to be training in serious MMA you will not have to be walking the type of streets I walk, where you might actually need your training.
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