Capoiera Vs Kung fu

[Tzustone]

I recently recieved a challenge from a Capoiera practitioner from overseas who met a student of mine and wants to come to the island to challenge me.

What do you know of this style?

And how will it fare against kung fu?

Blood, Sweat and Breath Control = Success

[Merryprankster]

Capoeira is a highly acrobatic, extremely evasive maneuver oriented art. I am going to tell you right now that it's going to seem very odd to you. Good Capoeiristas tend to be extremely flexible, quick, rangy, and have catlike agility. They also tend to be in ubelievable shape. It is not uncommon for them to execute strikes while in a handstand. They practice extremely mobile footwork and place great pride on being tricky. They will try to keep you off balance by continuously moving and creating angles.

Given their emphasis on kicking and leg sweeps, I imagine they will try to keep you at that range. The number of unconventional attacks is quite large. Even if they seem completely out of position, keep your guard up.

Check out http://www.bnbcomp.net/capoeira/

And here for some good small animations of common moves: http://newenglandcapoeira.com/pages/moves.html

[Vankuen]

I have been "lucky" enough to have some experience with capoeira, and if you want to see some really crazy stuff, you need to go here:


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You will see the capoeira pics in the middle just when you scroll down.

But in any case, Ive fought only low level capoeria stylists, and they can be taken easily by simply watching their center instead of all the confusing angles and weird positions they get into...but I guess that may sound easier than it is.

They do perform a lot of sweeps and things of that nature, often time followed up with an overhead kick or something of that type. So watch out for that. I just watched the guy dance back and forth, staying out of range just long enough to see his openings and then went in to get him. I didnt want to wait for any of his little tricks to get me first. That was my experience.

If you do fight the guy, dont let up, once youre inside and can bridge him or grapple him, I think you will have the fight won as long as he doesnt know any other ways of fighting.

[count]

Capoiera is a very good style with many features as marryprankster has pointed out already. In addition they use elbows and headbutts in a very lethal manner. Great ground work too. It is very circular and flowing so I suggest if you are fighting against this style make use of angles and jamming techniques. If they are in a handstand of course they will expect you to try and sweep the hands. Don't, they are very good at cartwheeling out of it and and coming down on top of your back. I think rather you should attack linear with front heel kicks or ax kicks. Check out the sites listed above, they show some good standard moves of their style. One thing to be careful of not really talked about on these sites. Capoiera's main weapon is straight razors which they use equally well with their hands and feet. Very dangerous! :eek:
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[SaekSan]

Do you know where this challenger is coming from (city or state)? What style of Capoeira does he do (Regional, Senzala or "de rua")?

Those particulars can give you more insight in how this person will approach you during the fight, each style has it's own philosophy of fighting and tricks.

As for weapons, the straight-razor between the toes is definetely something to watch out for, also be careful of the Maculele (they look kinda like double Escrima sticks) and if this guy does "de rua" be careful if he's wearing flip-flops (I'm not kidding!), if he catches you with a slap on the ear with 'em, it's pretty guaranteed you're out.

Good luck.

"Know your enemy and know yourself, win all the time"

[Metal Fist]

When he starts his Ginga attack him at the mid-transition point of his step(when he is double weighted), I ve seen this work several times before but, you have to be quick and deliberate in your attack. Good Luck! :D :D :D

"Do whatever it takes to be the last man standing!"

[YoungForest]

Capoiera is a joke when it comes to actual fighting...
I've seen a couple of capoiera guys in NHB tournements and they had no chance what so ever.

Maybe a master of the art would be good but rarely do you see good capoiera fighters..

[ope]

Which student is that? and when did he challenge you...


Double Stump..

[ope]

Stone i think you should try to break his rythem dont let him start flowing and get inside i know your an inside fighter...


Double Stump

[Kung Lek]

Get inside and stay inside.
stay right on top of him and use relentlessness as your friend.

the dancer will get tied up. If your root is solid he has zero on you.

stay within 1 to 1.5 steps and his sweeps and kicks (all he has as there are near no hand techniques in this cultural dance display) are pretty much neutralized.

when you're done with him, shake his hand and offer him tea.

Caporeia has not been a martial art for a very long time, it used to be but was degenerated to a slave culture dance expression thing long ago.

Only recently has it re-emerged and it will be some time before the art can be truly redefined as "martial", so take him on at his behest, you will do well I'm sure.

peace

peace

Kung Lek

[count]

I respect you and your advice about the distance is great but I have to disagree on your assesment of this martial art.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> all he has as there are near no hand techniques in this cultural dance display [/quote]
First of all, I got my first look at capoiera about 15 years ago and these guys had been doing it all their lives. It IS a brutal martial art. There are hidden in the dance great elbow strikes and hand techniques. The only purpose of the dance was to disguise the martial aspect of their practice which was illegal by law. But the dance aspect adds a timing element and teaches you to move with your opponent with great sensitivity. They are good at infighting and locking you up and destroying you with their elbows and knees too. Don't underestimate any martial art! Capoiera is a good one.

[YoungForest]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree to that because Capoiera was used by the slaves in brazil to get away from the gaurds..
it was a dicgise but still....its not as effective these days for fighting professionally or at all because of the better awareness fighters have these days then lets say 20 or 30 years ago...

It's just different now....maybe 100 years ago it was working and it obviously has but these days I doubt it...Capoiera is not a close distance art..so if u get on top of the person, what are they gonna do?

It's just not as effective...

[Eric]

Capoiera??? hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha!!!!

Play some polka music and throw their timing off...

sheesh....

[count]

If you limit yourself to what you have seen in a few UFC or WWF sanctioned pay fights, or some neighborhood NHB matches, than it doesn't surprise me that you have a bad impression of Capoiera. In Bahia it is not for professional fighting but it is tested in life and death street situations much the way many Fillipino arts have proven themselves over time. There is much in-fighting and grappling in Capoiera too. It is not all long range kicking. They have many ground takedowns and will use their elbows and headbutts in close. Furthermore from what I have seen, which is limited to 2 3-day workshops, even beginners can use capoiera fairly quickly. I would not underestimate any martial art. Or are you one of those that think Kung Fu is not effective for fighting too?

[NorthernMantis]

My friend took capoera.I used to go to a school full of capera practitioners.he showed me some tapes of people from back in brazil.Man they were fast and flexible.

Just don' let him start dancing.I'll tell you that.Most of their kicks require them to go low and put their hands on the ground.Strike their point of balance and thy'll topple over.Carefull though their kicks are tricky.Just watch an authentice vidoe if you can and you'll learn how to sse their kicks come.

One last thing they have no (if not little) hand techniques.Get in the inside and chain punch like your life depends on it.Don't give him room to breathe.

"Always be ready"