Why did Eric Cantor (R) Pledge Allegiance to Israel over the US?

[BJJ-Blue]

Declaring loyalty to another nation while in such a position is treason, regardless of what letter is in parentheses next to their name. I'd say hang the guy. Publicly.

Which is not what Congressman Cantor did. Obviously Cantor and Netanyahu are politically alot more in line with each other than with Obama. And what I got from the quote was that Cantor was telling Netanyahu that.

[MasterKiller]

Which is not what Congressman Cantor did. Obviously Cantor and Netanyahu are politically alot more in line with each other than with Obama. And what I got from the quote was that Cantor was telling Netanyahu that.

"It has long been the established principle of this country that the president of the United States leads our foreign policy," said former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. "And if you don't like the president, then you change him. But you don't have the two parties each conducting foreign policy in the way they think it ought to be conducted."

[Reality_Check]

The Al Jazeera article the OP mentioned stated Cantor was there with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. So, was he meeting Netanyahu in a covert way, or was he there in an official capacity?

When Harkin, Kerry, et al met with Ortega it was not in ANY official capacity. The letter they wrote the 'Dear Comandante' was not done through government channels. There is a big difference, but I'm sure all the liberlas here cant/wont see it and will just say I have a double standard.

But the only relevant question imo is was Cantor there in an official capacity, or was he doing it behind the country's back? To me, that's the million dollar question.

And yet you objected to Speaker of the House Jim Wright sending a letter, in his official capacity, to Daniel Ortega.

But yet it's ok for John Kerry and Speaker Wright to do it during Reagan's term?

Here is a full text of the letter 10 Democrats, including the Speaker of the House, Jim Wright, sent to the communist dictator Daniel Ortega:

Office of the Majority Leader
Washington, D.C., 20313

March 20, 1984

Comandante Daniel Ortega

Coordinador de la Junta de Gobierno Casa de Gobierno

Managua, Nicaragua

Dear Comandante:

We address this letter to you in a spirit of hopefulness and good will.

As Members of the U.S. House of Representatives, we regret the fact that better relations do not exist between the United States and your country. We have been, and remain, opposed to U.S. support for military action directed against the people or government of Nicaragua.

We want to commend you and the members of your government for taking steps to open up the political process in your country. The Nicaraguan people have not had the opportunity to participate in a genuinely free election for over 50 years. We support your decision to schedule elections this year, to reduce press censorship, and to allow greater freedom of assembly for political parties. Finally, we recognize that you have taken these steps in the midst of ongoing military hostilities on the borders of Nicaragua.

We write with the hope that the initial steps you have taken will be followed by others designed to guarantee a fully open and democratic electoral process. We note that some who have become exiles from Nicaragua have expressed a willingness to return to participate in the elections, if assurances are provided that their security will be protected, and their political rights recognized. Among these exiles are some who have taken up arms against your government, and who have stated their willingness to lay down those arms to participate in a truly democratic process.

If this were to occur, the prospects for peace and stability throughout Central America would be dramatically enhanced. Those responsible for supporting violence against your government, and for obstructing serious negotiations for broad political participation in El Salvador would have far greater difficulty winning support for their policies than they do today.

We believe that you have it in your power to establish an example for Central America that can be of enormous historical importance. For this to occur, you have only to lend real force and meaning to concepts your leadership has already endorsed concerning the rules by which political parties may compete openly and equitably for political power.

A decision on your part to provide these reasonable assurances and conduct truly free and open elections would significantly improve the prospect of better relations between our two countries and significantly strengthen the hands of those in our country who desire better relations based upon true equality, self-determination and mutual good will.

We reaffirm to you our continuing respect and friendship for the Nicaraguan people, and pledge our willingness to discuss these or other matters of concern with you or officials of your government at any time. Very sincerely yours,

Jim Wright
Michael D. Barnes
Bill Alexander
Matthew F. McHugh
Robert G. Torricelli
Edward P. Boland
Stephen J. Solarz
David R. Obey
Robert Garcia
Lee H. Hamilton

Source:The Wall Street Journal, April 17th, 1984

So, why was it okay (in your mind) for the House Minority Whip to do something similar to what you found so problematic when done by the Speaker of the House?

[solo1]

Cantor didnt say anything that millions havent said to themselves. Israel is our best ally in the region and the annointed idiot couldnt turn his back on them fast enough. Obama is a sniveling, miserable coward of a man, a disgrace to his country and the office he and his Muslim bretheren bought. He , as the head of the most powerful country on earth, bows to middle eastern despots and tyrants because he knows even tryants that stone its citizens, mutilate the genitals of girls, engage in a religion that mandates the killing of infidels, call for the destruction of thier neighbors and wage war on the west are STILL better men then he will ever be. Cantor was correct, he stands with Israel and not with Obama and his anti Israel policies.

[BJJ-Blue]

Cantor didnt say anything that millions havent said to themselves. Israel is our best ally in the region and the annointed idiot couldnt turn his back on them fast enough. Obama is a sniveling, miserable coward of a man, a disgrace to his country and the office he and his Muslim bretheren bought. He , as the head of the most powerful country on earth, bows to middle eastern despots and tyrants because he knows even tryants that stone its citizens, mutilate the genitals of girls, engage in a religion that mandates the killing of infidels, call for the destruction of thier neighbors and wage war on the west are STILL better men then he will ever be. Cantor was correct, he stands with Israel and not with Obama and his anti Israel policies.

Very well said.

I honestly have never understood why American liberals always choose the Muslims over Israel. Israel isn't the country beheading journalists, or stoning rape victims to death, or paying the families of suicide bombers, or forcing women to wear burquas and to be subservient to men. Israel has free elections, while the Arab states the liberals support do not. I don't like to level accusations without proof, but what could it be other than anti-Semitism to not support the Israelis?

[BJJ-Blue]

And yet you objected to Speaker of the House Jim Wright sending a letter, in his official capacity, to Daniel Ortega.

So, why was it okay (in your mind) for the House Minority Whip to do something similar to what you found so problematic when done by the Speaker of the House?

As I said earlier, and what you won't address, is that Congressman Cantor was at the meeting with the US Secretary of State. Wright, Kerry, Harkin, etc were not.

[MasterKiller]

I don't like to level accusations without proof, but what could it be other than anti-Semitism to not support the Israelis?

Here we go...everyone who disapproves of Israeli settlement expansion is racist.

[Reality_Check]

As I said earlier, and what you won't address, is that Congressman Cantor was at the meeting with the US Secretary of State. Wright, Kerry, Harkin, etc were not.

Um, it was a private meeting before Prime Minister Netanyahu met with Secretary Clinton.

http://blogs.jta.org/politics/articl.../candid-cantor

I can't remember an opposition leader telling a foreign leader, in a personal meeting, that he would side, as a policy, with that leader against the president.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/laurar..._.html?showall

Before Clinton meeting, Cantor's one-on-one with Bibi

Last night, Netanyahu met in New York for over an hour with incoming House Majority Leader Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.), who is set to become the highest ranking Jewish member of Congress in history. The meeting took place at New York’s Regency Hotel, and included no other American lawmakers besides Cantor. Also attending on the Israeli side were Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren, and Netanyahu’s National Security Advisor Uzi Arad.

[BJJ-Blue]

Here we go...everyone who disapproves of Israeli settlement expansion is racist.

I didn't say that. But I'll discuss land area then.

So it's over land. Let's look at the land over there:

Israel - 8,522 square miles

Syria - 71,500 square miles
Lebanon - 4,036 square miles
Jordan - 34,495 square miles
Egypt - 387,000 square miles

So Israel has a total of 8,522 sq miles, while the Arab states bordering her have a total of 497,031 sq miles. How much land do YOU say Israel must give up to make it fair?

[Reality_Check]

I didn't say that.

Nevertheless, you did play the racism card.

I don't like to level accusations without proof, but what could it be other than anti-Semitism to not support the Israelis?

[MasterKiller]

So Israel has a total of 8,522 sq miles, while the Arab states bordering her have a total of 497,031 sq miles. How much land do YOU say Israel must give up to make it fair?

A good place to start would be to quit annexing land illegally by building walls around it "for security puposes" and to return land they illegally seized in 1967.

[BJJ-Blue]

Nevertheless, you did play the racism card.

No, I didn't. I asked what else it could be besides anti-Semitism. I'm honestly stumpted as to why anyone could support coutries who do not have elections, who stone rape victims, who force women to be subservient to men, etc over a country with free elections who is a US ally. So I asked the question.

Prove me wrong then, explain why YOU choose to support the Arab states over Israel.

[BJJ-Blue]

A good place to start would be to quit annexing land illegally by building walls around it "for security puposes" and to return land they illegally seized in 1967.

Maybe if tha Arabs stopped lobbing rockets a them and sending suicide bombers over there, security wouldn't be an issue for Israel.

So answer the question, how much land do YOU say Israel should give up to make it fair.

Oh, the land was not illegally seized. It was won in a just war. And you neglected to post the massive amount of land they gave back, namely the Sinai Peninsula.

[MasterKiller]

Oh, the land was not illegally seized. It was won in a just war.

Fourth Geneva Convention Article 49(6): “The occupying power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into territories it occupies.”

And you neglected to post the massive amount of land they gave back, namely the Sinai Peninsula.

But that's not all of it, now is it?

[BJJ-Blue]

Fourth Geneva Convention Article 49(6): “The occupying power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into territories it occupies.”

I'm no expert on this, but they didn't "occupy" it, they won it in war and a treaty or ceasefire was signed giving it to them.

But that's not all of it, now is it?

It sure isn't. But it's more than they had to give back. IMO, they should have kept every bit of it.

I'm still waiting on that answer. How much land do you say Israel must give up to make it fair?