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Curious.
What are you 'doing' when practicing the Chi Sau?
Are you practicing Sticky Hands?
Definition:a : adhesive b (1) : viscous, gluey (2) : coated with a sticky substance
Or are you practicing Sticking Hands?
Definition: to hit or propel (as a hockey puck) with a stick (ergo: to stick an animal to death)
..something to think about...
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I don't do any of those. I just feel and flow with the energy and if there is an imbalance in the flow I take advantage of it., and if there is none I create one.
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This underscores the problem with using English interpretations of Chinese terms. In this case, using "stick" for "chi". In English, "stick" has many meanings that the Chinese term "chi" doesn't. For example, "stick" in English can mean "to poke like with a pin."Originally Posted by couch
The Chinese term "chi" denotes two grains of rice that cling (hence another interpretation of chi sao is "arm clinging") together, expressing the notion of a certain degree of attachment (not too solid and not too fragile).
What I do in chi sao is maintain a flexible attachment to my opponent's bridges while trying to control while striking my partner.
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.........is not what to do in Chi Sau!!!!!
Tell me Terence. How would you fight a person that is not stupid enough to give you their arms????
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As a reference point..
This is good ChiSao:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM_KgCSMtMM
Control while striking... All good things Chun control..
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All depends on what you think Chisau IS.
To me, and for most in the Lee Shing family (I think!), we would call this Looksau
Chisau may appear in there in split second moments, but it's basically Looksau. If this is what everyone sees as Chisau I think I can see why skilled guys like Wang kam Leung can take the advantage ALL the time.
Chisau is a teaching tool. WKL is teaching nothing but how to be beaten in this clip
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The question was posed by Kenton.. I know what he means.. He means the drill ChiSao...
Are your eyes rolling because you're dizzy? If so then sit down and breath.To me, and for most in the Lee Shing family (I think!), we would call this Looksau
LukSao is the rolling.. The rolling is the basis for ChiSao, which is how we refer to the main two handed sticking drill. The term ChiSao could be used to refer to any contact (sticking) drill but is most commonly used to refer to the two handed drill.. This should not be news to anyone..
As I said LukSao is the rolling, the platform for two handed ChiSao... What you see and think is still a mystery..
ChiSao is what the clip was called.. Moreover, it's the same two handed drill most any branch of the Yip family does and calls by the same term.. is every component of the drill seen? No. But it's still ChiSao.
Wan can "take advantage" in the drill as is seen because he has been doing it longer than his students...shocking isn't it?
ChiSao is a learning and teaching platform..Chisau is a teaching tool. WKL is teaching nothing but how to be beaten in this clip
Ah, he's teaching how to be beaten.. Uh huh.. Care to elaborate?
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You don't need an attached drill to learn to do unattached punching..........is not what to do in Chi Sau!!!!!
Tell me Terence. How would you fight a person that is not stupid enough to give you their arms????
GH
The point of chi sao is to learn to control while striking. To do that, I use MY bridges, to strike, to pull, push, wedge, jam, lift, sink, etc.
It's not that I want them to "give me their arms", I'd much rather they didn't. The kuit tells us, Chum Sen, Mo Chum Sao - Seek the body, not the hands. However, most often people won't give you direct access to their body, and try to keep their hands/arms are in the way (both offensively and defensively). I take whatever my opponent gives me, whether his arms or his body or whatever and use that contact as a handle to control him.
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"You don't need an attached drill to learn to do unattached punching. ' terence
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Ironic.."You don't need an attached drill to learn to do unattached punching. ' terence
I'm guessing the answer would be no if he doesn't follow the standard set...which does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjqL9MdLj0k
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The best bit is where the big guy shows WKL which hand he is going to punch with. Impressive stuff!!!!!
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Of course. If not, why do you even need arms on your dummy -- you might as well just punch a bag."You don't need an attached drill to learn to do unattached punching. ' terence
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I don't do wing chun any more but to me attached fighting is a lot more than attaching to someone's arms. There's head and neck control, underhooks, overhooks, pushing, jamming and even grabbing clothes..........is not what to do in Chi Sau!!!!!
Tell me Terence. How would you fight a person that is not stupid enough to give you their arms????
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Why limit yourself to just the arms?
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He'd try to kiss them. Scare them into submission. It seems his mouth is his only weapon, and a pretty poor one at that..........is not what to do in Chi Sau!!!!!
Tell me Terence. How would you fight a person that is not stupid enough to give you their arms????
GH
The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
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-----I don't think you can sum it up in one line any better than that!
How would you fight a person that is not stupid enough to give you their arms????
---You just hit them!!!! However, unless you are fighting a total scrub or have ambushed some poor guy unexpectedly, most people are going to reflexively throw up their arms to protect themselves. Its not stupid, its reflex. Then you have arms/bridges to use to control them while hitting them, and the skills developed in Chi Sao kick in!
do you stick to the dummy arms too ?
----I do! Let's say you do a Jum Sao to the upper arm, then Huen Sao to a low palm strike. Do you disengage the dummy arm when going from Jum to Huen, or do you stick to the arm? There is "sticking" involved through-out the dummy form.
LukSao is the rolling.. The rolling is the basis for ChiSao, which is how we refer to the main two handed sticking drill. The term ChiSao could be used to refer to any contact (sticking) drill but is most commonly used to refer to the two handed drill.. This should not be news to anyone..
---I agree! Luk Sao is the rolling "platform" used to develop the various skills by applying technique from that platform. Other mainland WCK methods use a "Poon Sao" platform that is more "coiling" and is different from the Luk Sao used in Yip Man WCK and Yuen Kay Shan WCK. The generic term "Chi Sao" can apply to the single hand version, double hand version, Lop Da drills.....anything that involves staying in contact with the partner/opponent and reacting to his movements through tactile feedback. But we do tend to apply the term almost exclusively to the Luk Sao activity and forget that it is really a generic label.
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