WikiLeaks founder appeals detention order

[Syn7]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101130/...eaks_assange_2

– Tue Nov 30, 7:07 am ET
STOCKHOLM – WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has filed another appeal against a court order to detain him in a rape investigation, Swedish officials said Tuesday.

The appeal was received by the Supreme Court in Stockholm on Tuesday, court spokeswoman Tove Levelind said.

Earlier this month, an appeals court rejected Assange's first appeal, upholding a district court decision to detain him for questioning.

Assange, whose whereabouts are unknown, is wanted by Sweden internationally concerning allegations against him that include rape and sexual molestation. They stem from his encounters with two Swedish women during a visit to the Nordic country in August.

He has denied the allegations, calling them part of a smear campaign. He has not been formally charged.

WikiLeaks made another disclosure of classified documents over the weekend, including diplomatic cables and sensitive U.S. State Department documents.

The 39-year-old Australian has angered the U.S. and other governments with such disclosures, including secret documents about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

During his August visit to Sweden, Assange applied for a residency permit in the country, where the WikiLeaks site has some of its servers and laws offer strong protection for whistle-blowers. Sweden rejected the request.

On Monday, Ecuador's deputy foreign minister, Kintto Lucas, praised Assange for his work and offered him residency in the leftist-run Andean nation "without any kind of trouble and without any kind of conditions."

what yall think??? we all know this guy has made some very powerful enemies... and rape is the perfect crime to ruin people with and all it takes is "she said"... if she says it did, chances are he'll burn for it...


and then there is this:
WikiLeaks says it's under powerful cyberattack

NEW YORK – The WikiLeaks website says it's under a forceful Internet-based attack, and the site is inaccessible to users in U.S. and Europe.

The site, which just distributed a trove of U.S. diplomatic documents, said in a Twitter message on Tuesday morning that it's under a "distributed denial of service attack," a method commonly used by hackers to slow down or bring down sites.

The site was under attack Sunday, but Tuesday's attack appears to be more powerful. WikiLeaks said the malicious traffic was coming in at 10 gigabits per second, which would make it a relatively large effort.

The WikiLeaks site is hosted in Sweden and devoted to releasing anonymously submitted documents.

hhhmmm... sweden... ya dont say... didnt i just read something about sweden and wikileaks???

10 gigabits per second??? this is not from some hacker in his mommys basement... this is sanctioned and sponsored black ops... nobody here is ruling that out right? we dont know forsure, but i wasnt born yesterday and i know how to read between the lines... if i were a betting man, i know where i'd lay my dollars on this one...

[David Jamieson]

If someone stands up and speaks the truth, it's likely they will get nailed to the cross for it.

Literally and figuratively.

The thing is, it's not him that's releasing anything, he is providing a site for people to do so. The people who are releasing this stuff are IN the government and civil service and military and it is US citizens who are blowing the whistle on the people in power there.

Everyone getting hot and bothered about Assange are idiots. lol, He's just a guy with the vehicle for others to tell on their bosses.

Who knows if this isn't some ploy or plot to move disinformation by doing soft puts in a lead up to a big one that will sink some nation. Anyway, there are a lot of red faced blustering liars and lowlifes huffing and puffing on this go round.

It's great theatre!

[sanjuro_ronin]

I've read some of the stuff, is really is nothing new.
Don't know what the big deal is and the US government is only looking worse for giving this more press.
Intelligence agencies tend to be their own worse enemy.

[Syn7]

If someone stands up and speaks the truth, it's likely they will get nailed to the cross for it.

Literally and figuratively.

The thing is, it's not him that's releasing anything, he is providing a site for people to do so. The people who are releasing this stuff are IN the government and civil service and military and it is US citizens who are blowing the whistle on the people in power there.

Everyone getting hot and bothered about Assange are idiots. lol, He's just a guy with the vehicle for others to tell on their bosses.

Who knows if this isn't some ploy or plot to move disinformation by doing soft puts in a lead up to a big one that will sink some nation. Anyway, there are a lot of red faced blustering liars and lowlifes huffing and puffing on this go round.

It's great theatre!

awesome gawker material forsure... whoever gave him these papers is in trouble tho... if its the guy from before, well, he's already in trouble... one could argue that divulging classified materials is treason... one could also say in a transparent democracy run by the people for the people, the people have every right to know everything... all of it, good and bad... i love how people act right before everyone gets to see their dirty laundry and they know its comming but arent sure what to prepare for...

[BJJ-Blue]

what yall think??? we all know this guy has made some very powerful enemies... and rape is the perfect crime to ruin people with and all it takes is "she said"... if she says it did, chances are he'll burn for it...

This is true that the rape allegations just happen to surface now and it looks suspicious. But it shows whats great about the US system, everyone accused is guaranteed a jury trial by his peers. And a conviction is never guaranteed simply because "she said", just ask William Kennedy Smith or the Duke lacrosse team.

[David Jamieson]

This is true that the rape allegations just happen to surface now and it looks suspicious. But it shows whats great about the US system, everyone accused is guaranteed a jury trial by his peers. And a conviction is never guaranteed simply because "she said", just ask William Kennedy Smith or the Duke lacrosse team.

The rape allegations came up during the release from the gun cameras that showed American soldiers gleefully murdering people in the streets of Iraq with gunships.

This was disgusting and embarrassing for the US and NATO and I think it was at this point where people started to take notice of just what wikileaks was and what was going to come of it.

So, yeah, of course his credibility is going to be attacked. I don't think he has an issue with fighting the rape charge, I think it is the pretense "they" want of locking him away while they do up the trial. I wouldn't agree to that either. they essentially want to lock him away and then start dismantling his network while his hands are bound.

That is typical of cowards to do that. I wonder when he would have had the time to go out raping in all this. It is HIGHLY suspect.

[BJJ-Blue]

...I think it is the pretense "they" want of locking him away while they do up the trial. I wouldn't agree to that either. they essentially want to lock him away and then start dismantling his network while his hands are bound.

Again showing how the US system is great. Bail is specifically mentioned in our Constitution.

[David Jamieson]

Again showing how the US system is great. Bail is specifically mentioned in our Constitution.

Violent Crimes are often denied bail. Rape is a violent crime. Hence it's use.
Even in the US there are lots of people who are not granted bail because of flight risk or the nature of the crime or the determined character of the person.

[BJJ-Blue]

Violent Crimes are often denied bail. Rape is a violent crime. Hence it's use.
Even in the US there are lots of people who are not granted bail because of flight risk or the nature of the crime or the determined character of the person.

Can you give us an example of someone charged in the US only with rape being denied bail?

[Syn7]

The rape allegations came up during the release from the gun cameras that showed American soldiers gleefully murdering people in the streets of Iraq with gunships.
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ive seen the vid, and a guy clearly takes aim with an rpg at their gunship... i also saw atleast 6 rifles... the threee hellfire missles may have been a bit much, but ièd hardly call them inoscent... and hey, if you are stupid enough to walk thru a battle that you think is over and get caught in it, thats on you... its not like the demo'd peoples houses like weève seen before...

but thats war man, its ugly... a few treee huggers see it and are horrified sure, but it was hardly a turkey shoot for no reason whatsoever... and what do you know about the intel that brought them to these people in the first place???

[David Jamieson]

ive seen the vid, and a guy clearly takes aim with an rpg at their gunship... i also saw atleast 6 rifles... the threee hellfire missles may have been a bit much, but ièd hardly call them inoscent... and hey, if you are stupid enough to walk thru a battle that you think is over and get caught in it, thats on you... its not like the demo'd peoples houses like weève seen before...

but thats war man, its ugly... a few treee huggers see it and are horrified sure, but it was hardly a turkey shoot for no reason whatsoever... and what do you know about the intel that brought them to these people in the first place???

wtf are you talking about, the footage shows unarmed men and one with a camera.
They then get lit up by the mercans in the blackhawk.

You didn't see the same video I'm guessing? the one that made the headlines?

[Syn7]

wtf are you talking about, the footage shows unarmed men and one with a camera.
They then get lit up by the mercans in the blackhawk.

You didn't see the same video I'm guessing? the one that made the headlines?

i guess it was different... was it a group in a courtyard??? then it ended with three hellfires into an abandoned triangular building...

dont get me wrong, they werent crying over these deaths and you can tell it got their adrenalin up... but a soldier cant feel sorry every time he kills or heèll never survive... you must harden, you must get into ur work...

the only part that ****ed me off about the vid i saw was that a child was hit, and thats the peoples fault for taking their kid to a gunfight... but when they requested medevac, they were denied and send some IPs to take this dying child to a local hospital... they shouldve taken her to the base... just some sand n!ggers kid tho, so fukc it right... so sad...

but the vid i saw the rules of engagement were met... even if it was a bit aggressive...

[Syn7]

This is true that the rape allegations just happen to surface now and it looks suspicious. But it shows whats great about the US system, everyone accused is guaranteed a jury trial by his peers. And a conviction is never guaranteed simply because "she said", just ask William Kennedy Smith or the Duke lacrosse team.

well yeah, unless you get crucified by the media for the sake of good headlines with no research into the truth swaying public opinion so bad you lose money and fam over it... true story, look it up...


conviction, maybe not... but do you think the allegations made their lives better or worse??? will they be compensated for time, money and embarassment??? no they wont... in america, the more money you can throw at a legal team the more likely you are to succeed... is that what you call fair??? you wave that flag son, ill stick to being thoroughly unsatisfied with my nation and her pathetic friends... im almost ashamed...

and in the US, because of the media and their mishandling of info, on purpose for headlines, jury pools are forever tainted in high profile cases...

like this kid who just got caught tryna blow up a portland xmas tree ceremony, do you think heèll get a fair impartial jury??? i think not... now in this case, i say hang the little fukcer, but they arent always guilty man...

[Reality_Check]

This is true that the rape allegations just happen to surface now and it looks suspicious. But it shows whats great about the US system, everyone accused is guaranteed a jury trial by his peers. And a conviction is never guaranteed simply because "she said", just ask William Kennedy Smith or the Duke lacrosse team.

Unless, of course, one is accused of terrorism. Then one can be shipped off to Guantanamo or Bagram without recourse. President Obama has even asserted the power to indefinitely detain those acquitted of terrorism charges, whether by a jury trial or military commission. Alternatively, an innocent person can be kidnapped and shipped off to be tortured (see: Khalid El-Masri, Maher Arar). Another thing that can be done is to be put on a hit list (see: Anwar al-Awlaki). So, I guess your triumphalist claim is in error. Not everyone accused is guaranteed a jury trial by his peers. At least, not anymore.

[BJJ-Blue]

Unless, of course, one is accused of terrorism. Then one can be shipped off to Guantanamo or Bagram without recourse. President Obama has even asserted the power to indefinitely detain those acquitted of terrorism charges, whether by a jury trial or military commission. So, I guess your triumphalist claim is in error. Not everyone accused is guaranteed a jury trial by his peers. At least, not anymore.

I was referring to American citizens. The Constitution guarantees the rights of Americans, not foreign nationals.

Can you show an example of an American citizen (not in the military) being denied a jury trial?