Originally Posted by MightyB
dodge the shuriken with the cartwheel drop down to splits to duck the sword strike to head
humungous the barbarian
dodge the shuriken with the cartwheel drop down to splits to duck the sword strike to head
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I think that only forms that can be classified as advanced are those that require more physical skill than those classified as basic.
That doesn't make them "advanced" in an esoteric way, just advanced in a physical way.
of course some people can do advanced forms in months and others need years to do a basic one.
It's all relevant.
TKD has advanced forms that require mulitple high kicks from the same leg with no lowering and then a jumping spinning kick from the base leg without lowering the raised one.
Advanced obviously, but nothing that anyone with a decent skill level can't do.
We had a guy that was a gymnast that did advanced forms better than guys that had been doing TKD for decades and he was only in it for a couple of years.
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And teabagging the guy after you cartwheeled kick'd him !dodge the shuriken with the cartwheel drop down to splits to duck the sword strike to head
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
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I have no way of proving this, but I believe that once you get passed the "carrot" that Ross was talking about...
...that "Showing Off" is the true purpose of the high-level forms of historical TCMA.
Itinerant practitioner
there is attacks in the cartwheel to splits move.i agree with what you are saying about advanced physical techniques. but that in itself can be another can of worms. there are those that would say, you never need 1 hand cartwheel to splits.
however i recently saw a judo turney where an escape was made via 1 arm cartwheel
a cartwheel into splits is an advanced cheerleading move really, but when you include attacks into it, it is a whole different enchilada.
I've seen cartwheel kicks used in mma with good results!Cartwheel kick KO for the win!Imagine if you could include the splits and a strike to the cajones following the reverse axe kick across the face? Now that's some advanced sh1t man!
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David, let me ask you this, when is the last time in a fight or even sparring, that you did a one handed cartwheel and landed in a split, and if you did, what purpose did it serve?In BSL, the 9th set (Lin Wan) is considered advanced and contains a one handed cartwheel technique that lands into splits.
are you saying that a beginner can just pick this up without the progression towards it whereby he / she develops the required strength, flexibility and plain old ability to do techs like this?
Cause, I"m loling until I am sighing about that...
as for the iron thread set of hung kuen, it contains a lot of so called "internal" work that demands guidance and the shape of it alone is not enough to benefit from the set in the intended manner.
My major problem with forms is that many of the techniques are just not practical and simply there for show. Maybe it does give them a Kung Fu "flavor" so to speak but aside from breaking a sweat, what is the point? To be honest, it doesn't take a skilled martial artist to do that, it takes a skilled gymnast, because that is basically what that is.
****, I guess everyone else beat me to that!
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humungous the barbarian
you a merciless man sanjuro, a merciless man
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the ass assassin
its for street performance for money not showing off. its also the lowest position in old chinese martial arts hierarchy.
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I never said it was practical and I was speaking to it in context to what is in forms, what is advanced and why advanced sets are not taught to beginners.
there's plenty of material that I cannot effectively or have not had opportunity to try. I think that's less important than pondering whether or not I need it or can count on it.
I just posted a video of a guy in an mma fight who cartwheeled a KO to illustrate my point. If the only validity you will give my point is based on what I do, then when is the last time you landed on the moon and took pictures of your fellow astronaut?
It takes body balance to be good at any athletics whatsoever. there are many "gymnastic" moves in martial arts from all cultures.
Anyway, I'm just pointing out that it is there.
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Forms are also a mixture of
1) actual combat techniques
2) conditioning , flexibility, balance, and yogic like exercises
3) performance including street performance
Again, with time, people have forgotten that some of the things in sets are not/were never designed to be fighting applicable
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the ass assassin
flowery performance forms were low level and for making money. today theyre called advanced forms. ESPECIALLY weapon forms. in "advanced" weapon forms its normal to have up to 50 or 70% of the moves flower twirling.
for example most of the tiger fork forms in southern kung fu have only 5 to 6 real techniques in the entire form.
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yes this maybe true??? However, I do not portray them as such nor do do I teach them as such. They are just training tools to me. If someone wants strictly to compete or they want only forms to show off, I usually point them in the direction of one of those McDojos.
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Why on earth would you do that?
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That's misplaced Wude - why chase away over achievers? Type A personalities with a penchance for flair. Winners, Jocks, Athletes. These are the people you should want. Take their enthusiasm and use it...
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