山西抱腿 (Shanxi Bao Tui) - TCMA leg shooting

[MightyB]

this is somewhat unrelated, but I see SC guys using a technique that appears easier to apply in competition than Judo's version.

In Judo, we use a technique called Hiza Guruma http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm2e9CClGk4. SC has a similar throw.

What's the SC name and how do you set it up?

[YouKnowWho]

The SC name is 踢(Ti) - kick. One set up can be:

- use your left shin to run into your opponent's right inside leg. This is called 冲(Chong) - collide. This may force your opponent to put more weight on his left leg. It also gives you the initial body rotation momentum.
- you then spin your body and use your right foot to sweep your opponnet's left leg.

SC guys like to move in circle instead of move linear.

[MightyB]

The SC name is 踢(Ti) - kick. One set up can be:

- use your left shin to run into your opponent's right inside leg. This is called 冲(Chong) - collide. This may force your opponent to put more weight on his left leg. It also gives you the initial body rotation momentum.
- you then spin your body and use your right foot to sweep your opponnet's left leg.

SC guys like to move in circle instead of move linear.

found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPUhMbmyRfg

I'll have to try it. Thanks.

[YouKnowWho]

The "攔門腳(Lan Men Jiao) - Hiza Guruma version of foot sweep" and "knee seize" are against each other. When you

- sweep, you give your leg to your opponent to seize.
- shoot in, your opponent can borrow your forward momentum to sweep.

It depends on who has better skill. I remember that in one tournament my opponent used Hiza Guruma version of foot sweep twice on me, I used "knee seize" to counter him twice and won that fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzEnT5pKvik

[Syn7]

found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPUhMbmyRfg

I'll have to try it. Thanks.

nice... so its really mostly hips and torso... the foot sweep is just for good measure it looks like... gotta do it, but its pretty light and smooth... i'll have to see more... there are so many jacket throws i dont know from doing no gi for so long... you could do this no gi tho... i know a sweep like it, but it's alot more of a sweep than a kick like this one is...

[wiz cool c]

my first coach in beijing taeching some bao tui techniques http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwndwk8xer8

[wiz cool c]

here is a bao tui defence technique used in mma the guy doing it is one of my shuai jiao coaches, and also a pro mma fighter in china

[MightyB]

nice... so its really mostly hips and torso... the foot sweep is just for good measure it looks like... gotta do it, but its pretty light and smooth... i'll have to see more... there are so many jacket throws i dont know from doing no gi for so long... you could do this no gi tho... i know a sweep like it, but it's alot more of a sweep than a kick like this one is...

using a lifting against the elbow type of chin na like at around the 1:03 mark in this vid http://www.vidoevo.com/yvideo.php?i=...i-chi-chin-na= helps to set up a hiza guruma type of attack against a no gi person... but the hiza is so precise in how it has to be executed that I personally find it difficult to use even though the opportunity seems to be there. That's why I'm interested in the SC version.

[SPJ]

Mongolian wrestling rules:

The object of a match is to get your opponent to touch his upper body, knee or elbow to the ground. In the Inner Mongolian version, any body part other than the feet touching the ground signals defeat.[4] There are no weight classes or time limits in a match. Each wrestler must wrestle once per round, the winners moving on to the next round.

The technical rules between the Mongolian version and what is found in Inner Mongolia have some divergence. In both versions a variety of throws, trips and lifts are employed to topple the opponent. "The Inner Mongolians may not touch their opponent's legs with their hands", whereas, in Mongolia, grabbing your opponent's legs is legal. In addition, striking, strangling or locking is illegal in both varieties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wB6WISba5M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o21UWYy-5IQ

In Yi wrestling, you can only win by force your opponent's shoulder to touch the ground.

cool.

[MightyB]

Here's my favorite counter against a single leg: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/112786...e_leg_counter/

For those of you that are familiar with Judo, it's basically sumi gaeshi and it does work really well against the single leg. Next time you get the chance, try it.

[YouKnowWho]

I call that counter "翻烏龜(Fan Wu Gui) - flip turtle". Actually it's called "扣(Kou) - knee seize". The end result you can always flip your opponent over and make his four feet up in the air like a turtle been flipped over.

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/foru...2&d=1292411129

using a lifting against the elbow type of chin na ...

That will be "架梁踢(Jia Lian Ti) - elbow locking kick" at 0.54. There is a "抹脖踢(Mo Bo Ti) - neck mop kick" at 1.56.

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/_WNdYn6L1fc/

Here's my favorite counter against a single leg: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/112786...e_leg_counter/

For those of you that are familiar with Judo, it's basically sumi gaeshi and it does work really well against the single leg. Next time you get the chance, try it.

For those of you that are not familiar with SC, you should not try that counter in SC tournament. In SC rules "whoever's body touch the ground first will lose that round". The purpose is to discourage "pulling your opponent down with you". If you use that counter in SC tournament, you just give your opponent a free round.

[MightyB]

That will be "架梁踢(Jia Lian Ti) - elbow locking kick" at 0.54. There is a "抹脖踢(Mo Bo Ti) - neck mop kick" at 1.56.

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/_WNdYn6L1fc/

That's very smooth - love it! Great throw.

[YouKnowWho]

If your opponent punches at you with full power and full speed, it won't be that easy to lock your opponent's arm like that. Most of the demo clip assumes your opponent to move his arm in slow motion so you can do anything you want. I prefer to use set up to obtain that opportunity. I prefer to attack my opponent instead of to wait for him to attack me. When I put my opponent in defense mode, his arms won't move that fast. It will be much easier to wrap my opponent's arm that way. IMO, how to create a chance to execute the throw is more important than the throw itself. Anybody can get a Judo book and learn throws from the book, but to create a chance for your throw in combat with full speed, full pwer, anything go is a true art and not science.

[KC Elbows]

IMO, there are at least 3 different strategies (there are more).

1. You will use the same technique but in different way. For example when you apply "切(Qie) - front cut", if you move

- behind your opponent, you will throw him.
- toward your opponent and drop (like sacrisfice throw), you will hurt his knee joint.

2. Sometime you will throw your opponent "1/2 way". Since your opponent cannot rotate his body in full circle and have safe break fall, his body may rotate 1/2 way and then has the airplane crashing effect (head first).

3. Of course in combat there are following on striking such as:

- knee to the groin, chest, ...
- elbow on the chest, throat, ...
- ...

so you have to be aware of exactly where you want your opponnet to be so you can "continue your task after your throw".

Very helpful post, thanks. I actually have a knee injury from a half throw that someone accidentally did for fear of throwing me. I would have preferred to break fall!