周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
In my book, the Chop Choy can be any hand be it lead or reverse. I don't believe its just a reverse hand strike.
Like mr darkie mentioned there's the stabbing motion of the strike. so, IMHO, the chop can be used in the same manner as the jab it should just be mixed with something else as well.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
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By definition he was a tinker, but meh!Originally Posted by David Jamieson
Gorman was a pikey. Of course pro boxers aren't going to fight him. lol
not taking away from his skills, but I think it's silly to imply Ali or Shaw were afraid to cross hands with the dude, they simply knew that he wasn't ranked and there was no way that he would get to fight either of them without making his way up through the legit ranks first.
just sayin...
Ali met with him, but refused him a sparring session or a fight in the lanes (that one I can understand)
Shaw was never ranked either - he never held a boxing licence as far as I am aware. always propogated unlicensed boxing. And cobbles matches too. refused to face Gorman in a knuckles match as the story goes.
Incidently, to be known as the best bare knuckle fighter in the country it would have been Shaw rising through the ranks (as he did) to fight Gorman. Not the other way round
When it does happen, it's fast and hard and over quick. Either I'm standing or he's standing. That's Real.
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Sounds almost like your talking about a Lama fist and a Kahp choi!?I use a regular fist and make contact with the middle knuckle joints in the same fashion, the only difference being they are not "extended" as in the pic above.
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Also could be Baji style stamping fist.
They call it a "bear fist" right?
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gu(r)ng gee kuen-
wing chun's equivalent using wing chun structure, motion and skills- not so secret- key is knowing how to use it. when and how.
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In Buck Sing we favor the charp chui.
I was surprised to read that some people may only use it as a reverse punch... As Frank pointed out the Charp Chui has many uses both lead and rear hand.
Obviously there is a time and place for this technique as with all others but most of our drills and techniques revolve around the use of the Charp Chui and it's vast array of combinations.
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
personally i favor the chop choy myself. it's similar to what i've always used growing up in the streets prior to learning Hung Sing Kuen. there are like 5 types of Chop Choy...some school's may have more...but on a general scale there are like five. They can be executed from both the front and reverse hands.In Buck Sing we favor the charp chui.
I've come to the realization that the original chop choy's used the clenched fist and the panther fist chop choy was found around the form but it was not the primary fist shape for ALL the choy choys like Yum and Yeung chops. others who are currently researching this are coming to the agreement the clenched fist was most likely the original way and that Tam Sam was responsible for evolving it into the panther fist.
My lineage has always used the clenched fist in the Yum and Yeung Chop Choy's but use the panther in things like the Ping Chop.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
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In Buk Sing, I believe we count 8. Think of your fist as the centre humb of an 8 spoked rim. As you release, you have an option of 8 directions. Upon commitment, you change angle to avoid your opponents block. Or attempt of a block.
Front, lead, reverse, back hand? is a starting point, a reference and not important. I believe, to think like this restricts spontaneous reaction.
As for the focal point of the fist. It is no different then a phoneix eye. Twisting and boring. "Extra inch" also refers to your stance not your hand. " Lee Man Chop Choy" is an excellent example of that.
Within all martial arts exist Universal Structure and Fixed Action Patterns. We all have 2 arms and 2 legs. To look at the tricks or special attacks of one sytems is limiting. Talking about it, is even more.
These are my opinions. I care not if you feel your skills are more "street" than me.
Remember the traditonal martial art salute for CMA and you have my opinion.
HSKwarrior...great job on your website.
By Peace or by Pieces.
You are a human being, not a human doing.
J Bradshaw.
Out beyond the ideas of wrong doing and right doing, there is a field. I will meet you there.
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Yep.
And double yep.Also could be Baji style stamping fist.
They call it a "bear fist" right?
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
is that supposed to be Lien Wan Chop Choy?Lee Man Chop Choy
Thanks Dr Rob
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Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
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Sure...in romanizations I guess. I always pronounced it " Lee Man" I guess. I can't seem to write it in chinese. Since I speak only basic Hong Kongeess.
By Peace or by Pieces.
You are a human being, not a human doing.
J Bradshaw.
Out beyond the ideas of wrong doing and right doing, there is a field. I will meet you there.
Rumi
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
rob,
uhhhh did i miss something? i didn't see ANYONE telling you anything about the streets and what you specifically can do. did someone erase something? what happened to it?These are my opinions. I care not if you feel your skills are more "street" than me.
yeah, i guess. you are the FIRST buk sing guy i've known to refer to it as LEE MAN. everyone i've ever known calls it Lien Wan. but hey, whatever floats yer boatI always pronounced it " Lee Man" I guess. I can't seem to write it in chinese. Since I speak only basic Hong Kongeess.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
CLF Yut Gar
"Leen Waan" would be how you would say it in cantonese (Hong Kong) maybe not how you would spell it. Means - "Continuous".
Peace out.
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No No HSK , I usually add the "street" on any forum the first time I write. Not directed at anything particularly here.
A few times, in the past. When I noticed a new comer post. It seemed to degrade to " an internet challenge". Sort of like a hazing, forum style. So...if I head it off by saying these are my opinions and I haven't carved any stone on it. It seems to leave the trolls out.
Since I have done that over the last few years. Never seen an Internet challenge
Thanks CLF Nole...for clearing me up.
HSK when are you to release this book? greatly intrested...Really haven't seen anything since Lee Koon Hung's
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By Peace or by Pieces.
You are a human being, not a human doing.
J Bradshaw.
Out beyond the ideas of wrong doing and right doing, there is a field. I will meet you there.
Rumi
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
well, i'm still working on it. I will be the first to admit that i am a bad writer. I have passion for it though and i'm doing what i can to improve my writing skills. So i've been going over my chapters to make sure it's all kosher. I should be taking pictures with my sifu soon then arrange the book.HSK when are you to release this book? greatly intrested...Really haven't seen anything since Lee Koon Hung's
I'm working on it though. however, all the new info i learned i've had to insert it into what i've previously written.
thanks for asking.
i figured. but i had to reread what I wrote cause i was like where'd he get that from? LOLNo No HSK , I usually add the "street" on any forum the first time I write. Not directed at anything particularly here.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
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