GM of Hadaka Korosu
Yeah, I would try it out on "dirty boxers" or "clinch boxers" or the "crazy monkey" guys, but most typical boxers just clinch and hold and are really well versed in multi-dimensonal clinch work.Originally Posted by Wayfaring
Oh, but I do.
There's a very small percentage of boxers for which this is not a good idea.
Psalms 144:1
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He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
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Until you take them down.
GM of Hadaka Korosu
Sorry, I meant NOT really well versed.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Glorified TCMAist
therein lies the confusion. There are many ways to bridge. Bridging does not neccesarally mean touching forearms and sticking to your opponent.
If I crash into your guard, I am bridging. Some WCK people do this with bong or kwun-sao. (won't get into a debate on right or wrong, just that people do it)
The other thing is, if we are discussing WCK vs Boxing, fine. If we are discussing, as Frost suggested, the clip, then the main problem is that the WCK guy was not experienced. Ok, so he put up his hands in bai-jong (mun-sao/wu-sao) and threw chain punches-something a first week student can do. The boxer was not much better, but evidently more experienced.
This reminds me of when I was younger, I was training in Tang Soo Do and on alternate days, WCK. I was a beginner in both.
My TSD instructor would say, "Show me some of that Wing Chun, and then proceed to beat the crap out of me and say, "See? That stuff doesn't work."
Then, on alternate days, my WCK Sifu would say, "Do your Karate," and beat the crap out of me and say, "See? That Karate doesn't work."
Unfortunately, as was stated before, we don't have any footage of a skilled WCK practitioner fighting an equally skilled boxer.
Without that, this conversation is at a stalemate. It's a theoretical debate that leads nowhere.
I think however, if T starts insulting Victor and Phil, we can at least get back to our usual discussions.
"My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
Gwok-Si, Gwok-Faht"
"I will not be part of the generation
that killed Kung-Fu."
....step.
Banned
And THAT is at the core of most of these issues.
GM of Hadaka Korosu
No, but in the case of the video in question we have footage of a low level WC AND a low level boxer.Unfortunately, as was stated before, we don't have any footage of a skilled WCK practitioner fighting an equally skilled boxer.
And what do we see?
The fact that we don't have any footage of high level WC VS a high level boxer ( any type of boxing) does make you wonder though.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Glorified TCMAist
nah, the people rowing the boat usually don't have time to rock it. I don't think this means that there just aren't any people out there doing it, or afraid to show their stuff might not be so hot.
More like people are just to busy with their own stuff to really get involved in little online forum debates.
Ok, so I might not be the greatest example, but besides running a full-time school, six days a week,
I have a pile of articles I've written and re-written, to be submitted...um, soon.
Apparently, I won't submit them to IKF...
I have an outline for a DVD series I really want to shoot..um, soon...
I have the outline for a book series, but I need to get in better shape (the camera adds ten pounds..) ..um, soon..
I have to work out harder..um, soon..
Put up a video on youtube? Are you kidding? I'm so busy!
"My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
Gwok-Si, Gwok-Faht"
"I will not be part of the generation
that killed Kung-Fu."
....step.
GM of Hadaka Korosu
How many WC videos are out there?
How many done by proficient and talented teachers?
Most of them are marketing for them or their system.
How many actually show WC fighting ??
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Ninja Vanish!!
Wing Chun sucks! Boxing does not! End of discussion.
"The hero and the coward both feel the same thing, but the hero projects his fear onto his opponent while the coward runs. 'Fear'. It's the same thing, but it's what you do with it that matters". -Cus D'Amato
GM of Hadaka Korosu
Its funny but I have a friend that is a boxer and a very good one and another that is a WC guy and has been for about 15 years, they argue all the time about WC VS Boxing and the boxing guy said the samething.Wing Chun sucks! Boxing does not! End of discussion.
The WC guy asked how he arrived at that conclusion and the boxer said this:
In 6 months I can take anyone and make them a decent fighter and by that I mean they go fight full contact and they will be able to hit hard, move well, protected themselves and, given the opportunity, KO another fighter in the ring.
In other words, most people can become profcient in Boxing in less than a year.
Can you say the same thing about WC and how it is TYPICALLY taught?
The answer was silence.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Glorified TCMAist
good points.
Same with Hung-Ga-I have yet to see decent application/sparring videos
"My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
Gwok-Si, Gwok-Faht"
"I will not be part of the generation
that killed Kung-Fu."
....step.
GM of Hadaka Korosu
To be honest, all the HK videos I have seen have been forms oriented and none have ever claimed to show anything for fighting purposes.
That is NOT the case with the majority of WC videos by recognised masters.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Junior Member
LOL!
Oh yeah?
Can boxing give you a fancy uniform and sash?
Can you get fun titles like "Si gung" or "Si Jo"? Or other grandiose titles?
Can you pay "monthly dues taken out automatically at a boxing gym"?
Can boxers claim that they're related to Bruce Lee? That alone should stop fights, or at least prevent fights...
LOL!
Classic! And for the record, I completely agree!
GM of Hadaka Korosu
I can't argue with that logic, LOL !
Thing is, if System A can make average Joe a decent fighter in 1 year and system B needs 3, then isn't A a better system?
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Junior Member
Honestly, WCK can be taught within a year or even a few months. It all depends on the student, and the teacher. You could at least make a functional stand up fighter in that time.
Mastery will take a while...but that's with everything.
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