Hwa Rang Do

[IcedSamurai]

Does anyone here take Hwa Rang Do other than me? :P
or does anyone even know what it is?

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[Stranger]

I own three tapes with defrocked HRD blackbelt Randy Wanner. He had abandoned the high kicks prior to the making of the series, so I don't think it really reflects all of HRD. The art had a close relationship with the US Army-SF in the past, and I think that Wanner's interpretation reflects this concern of the the MODERN soldier.

Good luck. It is a well rounded program that will likely lay a solid foundation to explore many arts if you choose. A lot of people will deride HRD's lineage or the internal politics of the organization, but in the end of the day- it is good technique.

I don't get mad.
I get stabby.

[rogue]

It looks like a good art though I've heard conflicting stories about the people in it, who taught who what and it's origins (now there's something new for a Korean art). Still I'd love to see some classes or take some lessons to try it out.

Also, I found this on a Hwa Rang Do® page, which made me go "huh"?
"In order to better maintain this Hwa Rang Do® identity, it has been internationally trademarked. This copyright registration encompasses all techniques (italics mine), the syllabus, uniforms, its name, and all other aspects of our art, and is protected by international and federal laws."

All techniques? :eek:

Stranger,
"defrocked HRD blackbelt Randy Wanner"? Care to elaborate?



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[This message was edited by rogue on 07-22-01 at 08:50 PM.]

[rogue]

Also when I hear this kind of thing about Hwa Rang Do it really makes me wonder,
"The most comprehensive, well-rounded martial art in existence. It is the mother art of all other systems, it is the graduate/masters program." :eek:

The more I hear about it the more I just don't know anymore.


Rogue, you're an @ss!! Watchman

Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it's hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L'Amour

BTW, did I mention that Rogue was an @ss? Watchman

[IcedSamurai]

There is a good site about Hwa Rang Do, it's near where I live and I am training HRD. Go to: http://www.hwarangdoeastcoast.com my grandmaster is on the front :D

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[Stranger]

Randy Wanner is the blonde haird BG in Echanis' stickfighting book. He is the man who trained Echanis (aside from his VERY brief time with Lee). Echanis caused a lot of friction whenhe came/left the HRD scene, and a lot of the top American BB in HRD split from Lee. www.bladeforums.com is the place to go to get the American BB's side of the story. Bob Duggan, first American HRD BB before the Lee revised the history and founder of ESI bodyguard school, and a few of the pre-Echanis crew have showed up to tell their story.

Bottom line is that Bob Duggan and Randy Wanner were prominately featured in many articles with Lee as his top students, now he doesn't acknowledge them.(the same fate later befell DeAlba)

Lee's own articles on his website have him learning all of HRD by the age of twelve (and not all of that time was he training every day).

If you ever looked at the HRD syllabus, it is difficult to believe that a twelve year old had mastered sentry neutralization, poison lore, accupuncture, etc. all in 8yrs of trainin while so young in addition to the martial art techniques which are quite numerous. He admits he trained Hapkido for a long time, becoming one of the more respected BB back in the day.

Duggan, whoo wrote the historical intro for Lee and Echanis' books, said that Lee helped him make it up to give legitimacy to the techniques. Check out bladeforums, check out the articles on the HRD site www.hwarangdo.com (mindful of the dates of training and aware of the situation on the Korean Penninsula at that time), and draw your own conclusions.

I don't know what to think about all of that stuff, but their curriculum is well rounded covering all ranges and looks effective in the right hands.

Bladeforums will also shed some light on how much HRD really made it into the Special Forces training of H2H, Echanis' training, and Echanis' service in VietNam.

Word search "echanis" and you'll get some really long threads spread over a few forums.

I don't get mad.
I get stabby.

[rogue]

I have a TRS tape of Wanner and Bob Taylor on gun disarms that is really great.

One thing I heard was that Wanner and Echanis brought a lot of the combat techniques to HRD. The one thing I've heard quite a few people who knew him say was that Echanis was a badass long before HRD.

RoosterTalon,
what's your take on this?
Has HRD changed? I've noticed Tae Soo Do being the entry level to HRD, is this what you're learning or can you just go to HRD?


Rogue, you're an @ss!! Watchman

Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it's hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L'Amour

BTW, did I mention that Rogue was an @ss? Watchman

[Waidan]

GM Lee's studio was located just a few minutes from me (in Lake Forest Ca) for several years. Thus a lot of the MA folks in our area have had contact with or training in HRD.

I took classes with Sally Dewer (dunno spelling on last name, but that's it phonetically) for about 6 months in 1990, but opted out after Sally left us with a joke of an assistant instructor during an extended absence.

I thought the art was interesting, but the high/arial kicks are heavily stressed. That may be fine for some folks, but I found it to be unrealistic in the context of a real fight.

Yeah, the art's history is very questionable, but as rogue mentioned that's pretty typical for KMA. All the same, I wouldn't have a problem enrolling my kid there...it's certainly a cut above the TKD taught locally.

[IcedSamurai]

I don't know about the changing of Hwa Rang Do, but I still train it.

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Come, visit me and my floating island of serenity.. the Kingdom of the Winds..

[rogue]

Rooster,
I'd like to check out thise HRD tapes panther has do you know if they're any good?


Rogue, you're an @ss!! Watchman

Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it's hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L'Amour

BTW, did I mention that Rogue was an @ss? Watchman

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[Stranger]

Over at www.e-budo.com there are some current discussions about HRD, Echanis, Hapkido and its aiki connections, etc. A couple of threads are currently growing on the "ninja forum" (there was a link on a thread on the main board)

I don't get mad.
I get stabby.

[rogue]

Thanks Stranger


Rogue, you're an @ss!! Watchman

Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it's hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L'Amour

BTW, did I mention that Rogue was an @ss? Watchman

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[NorthernMantis]

Hey check out this Hwa Rang Do web site.The intro is really cool.I was impressed

http://www.hwarangdo.net/56/flash.html

"Always be ready"

[This message was edited by NorthernMantis on 08-12-01 at 07:31 AM.]

[rogue]

The Original Korean Martial Art
Created by one mans passion
Supreme Grand Master
Dr. Joo Bang Lee

Can anyone spot the problem with the above statements?

The site has some fun stuff to look at.


Rogue, you're an @ss!! Watchman

Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it's hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L'Amour

BTW, did I mention that Rogue was an @ss? Watchman

[apoweyn]

Rogue,

I thought precisely the same thing. How does the "original" Korean art get created by Dr. Lee?


Stuart B.