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    Regulation of Martial Arts Schools

    Something I thought of the other day while talking Kung Fu with some friends and training partners. Imagine if the federal government instituted a commision to oversee martial arts schools and gyms to insure they were teaching correctly. Basically an instructor would have to meet a set criteria and apply for a license from this commision to be able to teach.

    The commision would preferably be made up of instructors from various disciplines of martial arts, and would have to be voted on and such.

    I believe these would be the advantages:

    1. Proof of lineage or training, perhaps through a test, in order to be certified to teach.

    2. A distinction would have to be made between combat and performance schools, in other words, if you claim to teach combat training, prove that you can. If you are teaching only a performance art (Wushu or such) it must be advertised as such.

    3. Hopefully would weed out some of the Bullshido schools that teach crap and brain wash students.

    Disadvantages:

    1. Just like everything else with the government, it would be more about making money than regulation and looking out for the common man.

    2. A commision voted on can still be tainted, and who's to say the couldn't black ball an actual good instructor for personal reasons.

    3. To much like socialism, we should be able to regulate our own, not have the government do everything, it simply is one more thing that eliminates freedom.

    I know this will never happen, but if it did, what do you think would be the advantages and disadvantages of this?
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    I had this same thought some 20 years ago. However, They tried this in China back in the early 1900's and it has turned into todays Wushu. The masters of the early 1900's put together the Jing Wu system. A standardized set of forms, regulations etc. The Jing Wu era was run by Kung Fu teachers. Todays Wushu is run by the Government. It is not what it was back then, but todays China is pretty standardized and well run.

    This same set of early 1900's Jing Wu people that migrated here just can't get it together. Big Egos and stubbornness will not let anyone put a standard system together. A lot systems came thru this Jing Wu era: Northern Shaolin, Eagle Claw, Mi Tsung Lohan, Praying Mantis. Even some of the Southern systems adhere to the Jing Wu sets. To make a long story short, there is too much freedom of expression in each of the systems and no one would stick to any one set of rules. If a Government takes over the martial arts it will push many kung fu peeps into teaching out of there garages and parks. Just because they will never kowtow to a government set of rules.

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    1. wu shu

    is standardized.

    which is not good.

    2. you place all the known people in each style in a research committe.

    research, compilation, history, techniques---


    these are good

    3. civilian groups are more important then government sponsored programs.

    chin woo, kuo shu international federation, local chapter, country chapter

    they hold regular san shou for amateurs, college folks with various cups

    these are good

    4. regulate the schools or commission teachers

    not good.

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    nope.

    it will lead to a big pile of ****genized crap.

    I like the weird and whacky variety of martial arts available including the existence of all the frauds etc etc.

    It makes finding a real teacher that much more satisfying.

    Besides, government regulation will lead to crap. It always does for the simple reason that governance is not always the answer. Sometimes it's about integrity and with martial arts, I believe that's exactly what it's about.

    People without integrity aren't hard to find out even after only a couple of meetings, quite often in one.
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    Based upon my experiences with the ny state athletic commission and also knowing WHO is behind a similar movement in NJ, I would state that we should all pray/sacrifice goats to make sure we are NEVER regulated.....
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    If martial arts in the United States had to be regulated i'd just resort to how they did it in China back in the day and just go underground with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    If martial arts in the United States had to be regulated i'd just resort to how they did it in China back in the day and just go underground with it.

    REGULATE THIS!!!!!
    Gotta agree with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPJ View Post
    the windmill turns and turns

    it is like the wind. the wind/trend is coming and going. it could gear toward central control one day and gear toward civilian group another day.

    I believe in laisez faire or let it be/go/do--

    if you have kuo shu federation, all government schools and civilian schools may send students to compete, and may the best win.

    if you own a civilan school, you sign up to the kuo shu fed as a local chapter, paying a nominal fee to be a member, you may send your students to compete, be it tao lu forms or san shou

    so that not only government/city wushu team or school may compete

    every one may participate

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    usually civilian schools or private schools are better than public institutions

    oops, becoming political

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    John Graden and NAPMA are really pushing for Gov't regulation.
    On one hand, I would like to see mandatory backround checks to eliminate the kid touchers.
    One the other hand, you just know that the guys that have the largest organizations will have the authority. This means TKD, Kempo, and McDojo owners will be making decisions.
    Seriously, how can you put everyone in the same mold? Wing Chun has three forms, Northern Mantis and styles like Choy Li Fut may have over a hundred. Some styles have just one, and some have none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    Based upon my experiences with the ny state athletic commission and also knowing WHO is behind a similar movement in NJ, I would state that we should all pray/sacrifice goats to make sure we are NEVER regulated.....
    We have a battle going on in West Virginia right now to get MMA legalized, unfortunately the current athletic commision are old thinking, mafia influenced idiots who do not want MMA legal because the Toughman contests are huge here and they don't want something else dipping into their cookie jar. So it goes to show what happens when you have idiots with too much power and authority.
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    Many combat sports have been regulated for ages: Boxing, Wrestling, Judo, fencing, kendo come to mind.

    I don't think it will work outside of specific MA, I mean, a group to regulate ALL MA in terms of competition is one thing, but style certification is not really feasible.
    A group that regulates teaching credentials with back ground checks and such would be a good step though.
    Making sure teachers are safe ( criminal record check), have the basic courses liek first-aid and such, things like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron_Eagle_76 View Post
    1. Proof of lineage or training, perhaps through a test, in order to be certified to teach.
    The problem is that the people who are general interested in giving grace to people outside of their org/style are the biggest ego driven schmucks on the planet.

    Hell, go look at the karate organizations out there awarding rank and titles to each other's instructors in what can only be described as a circle-jerk. Do you really want that happening in any government sanctioned capacity?

    Hopefully would weed out some of the Bullshido schools that teach crap and brain wash students.
    Even though those schools get under my skin, they do act as a crap-magnet for the karate-hippies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    How would we pay for that?
    How do boxing, wrestling and judo gyms do it now?
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