William Cheung's ANTI-CLF Tactics

[kung fu fighter]

3, So the practice of SLT's "sam bai fut or the fook and wu cycle is the training for accepting Jin for the frontal while one is extending or contracting while sticking at the opponents. it is not what most today practice think as today's "sam bai fut" as striking only.

IMHO, those are the practice of sticking and ride on the opponent and one can mislead him or snap bounce him as one likes if needed.

I agree with you, but one needs the proper type of power generation in order to do this without exposing himself.

What jins in tai chi would you say wck's bong and tan corrisponds to?

[Hendrik]

I agree with you, but one needs the proper type of power generation in order to do this without exposing himself.

you are right,
that is the name of the game.



you better ask the Taiji guys on bong.

[LaterthanNever]

I'm asking this I guess while on the periphery of Wing Chun. I'm not a sifu and only have a little WC experience. I've read once that Ip Man once said "Never pak sao to the inside gate".

Yet..

I've read and seen examples both in books and videos(when doing applications extracted from the forms) where practitioner #1 who is defending against an attack does a pak sao to the inside gate against practitioner #2 who is attacking.

Please intelligent contributions only (which automatically eliminates certain sifus in the WC forum who feel the need to attack others in an ad homenim way just for asking questions. One sifu is particularly hyper defensive in allowing only one or 2 questions and is fond of calling others "troll" as quick as a hummingbird flies. If you are reading this..then yes..I am talking about YOU).

[Hendrik]

I'm asking this I guess while on the periphery of Wing Chun. I'm not a sifu and only have a little WC experience. I've read once that Ip Man once said "Never pak sao to the inside gate".

Yet..

I've read and seen examples both in books and videos(when doing applications extracted from the forms) where practitioner #1 who is defending against an attack does a pak sao to the inside gate against practitioner #2 who is attacking.

Please intelligent contributions only (which automatically eliminates certain sifus in the WC forum who feel the need to attack others in an ad homenim way just for asking questions. One sifu is particularly hyper defensive in allowing only one or 2 questions and is fond of calling others "troll" as quick as a hummingbird flies. If you are reading this..then yes..I am talking about YOU).

IMHO,
Ip is right to better not use Pak sau at the inner gate because it is less effective at inner gate biomechanics structure.
Usually one uses Jeet sau or intercept hand at the inner gate to disable the punch. Those are different strategy target to totally damage the wrist with one short. Thus, in the old time, my sifu will never want me to hold my hand like in the Ipman movie because the wrist of that outside arm is the target. or in another way, permenently destroy the first gate.

A move in Cho Gar which is very power full to destroy the front hand and center line is ---- in the same time one hand chop intercept the inner wrist of the forward arm ; and one hand deliver a punch to the center line target. and then the intercept arm changes into a horizontal slide down to upward outward punch as the to deliver the second blow to the center line in a horizontal way.

So, it destroy the front hand and vertical strike at the center then 0.5 pace later a horizotal strike comes in from the other direction. so, even in the back arm can block the vertical strike the horizontal strike will land without resistance because one wrist has already damage. Due to the direction of strike is different it is very difficult to fight this in the center door.

[Vajramusti]

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1083671]Pak sau is a troublesome terminology these days in WCK.


I dont know why is Ipman call it Pak sau when it is so many different things.


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Ip Man did not depend on words alone- corrections of motions for key students was the way.

joy chaudhuri

[BDBSK]

Well, it didnt work when my Sifu (Richard Leung) knocked out Cheung in Hong Kong.

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/foru...hp/t-8978.html

[Violent Designs]

Well, it didnt work when my Sifu (Richard Leung) knocked out Cheung in Hong Kong.

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/foru...hp/t-8978.html

This is good to know.

[Ozzy Dave]

So if wu is equivent to Luu in taiji chuan, would you say Bong is equal to Peng in taiji chuan?

Is it possible that wing chun could have been a system that evolved from tai chi, since it share so many of the same principles/concepts. That could be why they both share the same snake and crane origin story. what do you think?

Bong is like Peng in that they are both applied under the opponents arm, they both use the turning of the body to support the shape to redirect force and they both "don't stay".

I don't think that Wing Chun developed from Taijiquan or infact even have a common root, they exhibit similarities merely because they both share a common distance in application.

Dave

[kung fu fighter]

Well, it didnt work when my Sifu (Richard Leung) knocked out Cheung in Hong Kong.

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/foru...hp/t-8978.html

Hi last I heard Richard Leung was living in Richmond Hill, Ontario Canada.

is he still there?

[Phil Redmond]

Well, it didnt work when my Sifu (Richard Leung) knocked out Cheung in Hong Kong.

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/foru...hp/t-8978.html

Well it worked against other CLF people including Chan Chee Man. I've even fought CLF people successfully in NY. If the story is true one knockout means nothing. Many fighters get knocked out but they are still great fighters. There's a saying amonst fighters. Any fighter can have his ass handed to him on any given day.

[hskwarrior]

Any fighter can have his ass handed to him on any given day.

I guess it was Cheung's on that day hahahahaha

[Frost]

since we are talking about the man has anyone seen this before, i found it amazing that all these wing chun guys actually managed to agree enough to write this!

VING TSUN ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION LTD
3, Nullah Rd., 2C/fl., Kowloon,
Hong Kong Tel 3-816044

Dear Sir,

RE: Point Three of the minutes of the 11th General Meeting

Recently we have received many letters and complaints about a person
called William Cheung who has distorted many affairs with ulterior motive.
As the board of directors of the Ving Tsun Athletic Association -- the
general association of the WHOLE Ving Tsun (Wing Tsun / Wing Chun) system,
which was founded by the late Grandmaster Yip Man and most of his senior
students since 1976, we have the responsibility to clarify the following
points:

1/ William Cheung has NEVER been regarded by anyone of his fellow-students
as the grandmaster or the leader of the whole Wing Chun Clan.

2/ NOBODY is recognized as the so-called "No 1 student of Grandmaster
Yip Man" and we have NEVER heard of William Cheung as the "No. 1 Fighter
of the Wing Chun Style".

3/ "Footwork" in the Wing Chun System is regarded as a most advanced
technique. We do not deny that some of the students of Grandmaster
Yip Man did not learn the whole system, but it is NOT TRUE that
William Cheung is the ONLY person to have ever learnt the entire
Wing Chun System" as what he announced in his advertisement.

4/ There have NEVER been any techniques in our system called "DIM-MAK" or
"Disabling Pressure Points", NOR any so-called "Missing Techniques" since
the creation of the Wing Chun System by Ng Mui.

5/ When Grandmaster Yip Man taught the techniques to his students he asked
NO-ONE "to take an oath not to reveal the secret to anyone during his life
time." He taught according to the potential of his students, teaching
the most advanced techniques to the most talented ones.

In the mid of 50's there had been a kid called William Cheung who had studied
in Grandmaster Yip Man's school for a few years intermittently and left
Hong Kong when he was 18 years old, and since then had become isolated from
his instructor and all the other fellow-students. During his short training
he surely gained the wrong impression in thinking that Grandmaster Yip Man
never taught the advanced techniques to students other than himself. And yet
we do not know how much William Cheung really learned himself.

It is regrettable that his lies have gone so far (i.e. he told the
reporters that Grandmaster Yip Man had taught only him the so-called
"traditional Wing Chun", but had taught all his other students the
"modified Wing Chun").

However, any average person could easily analyze his techniques and see
this statement must be a lie. It is unthinkable that Grandmaster Yip Man
would choose to cheat all the students except one impudent kid, who actually
had little respect for him!

We feel sorry to have such an ignorant person in out clan, We want
to establish our position: we have NEVER AGREED with his Crazy
self-promotion, though we do understand his motive in casting himself as the
"Superman" in the William Cheung's Wing Chun System.

Yours faithfully,

The Board Of Directors and Attendance in the meeting of clarification
the distorted affairs.

Wong Shun Leung (Chairman)
Leung Ting (Vice Chairman)
Tong Chao Chi (Vice Chairman)
Lok Yiu (President)
Yip Ching (Vice President)
Ho Kam Ming (Vice President)
Siu Yuk Man (Secretary)
Chan Tak Chiu (Treasurer)
Tsui Sheung Tim (Membership Management)
Koo Sang (Membership Management)
Lee Wai Chi (Public Relation)
Victor Kan (attendance)
Yip Chun (attendance)

[BDBSK]

Well it worked against other CLF people including Chan Chee Man. I've even fought CLF people successfully in NY. If the story is true one knockout means nothing. Many fighters get knocked out but they are still great fighters. There's a saying amonst fighters. Any fighter can have his ass handed to him on any given day.

Totally true. Everyone gets beaten, no big deal. I've lost matches too. Competing and fighting is the main thing. Fighters fight, and fighters win and lose. Cheers

[PalmStriker]

since we are talking about the man has anyone seen this before, i found it amazing that all these wing chun guys actually managed to agree enough to write this!

Interesting document, Frost. Thanks for posting.

[Phil Redmond]

Well, it didnt work when my Sifu (Richard Leung) knocked out Cheung in Hong Kong.

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/foru...hp/t-8978.html

Have you ever competed? If so what was the outcome of your fights? I was trained by kickboxer Yoel Judah who was trained by Mark Breland but I still used Wing Chun in the ring.