Two "Unidentified" Forms

[Violent Designs]

Long story short an acquaintance of mine used to practice CMA. Some on here probably remember him if I bring up some old conversations but this is not to name names or anything of that nature.

Basically his lineage and system history was pretty muddy, even according to himself. As in, even he didn't know much other than what was told to him by his teacher and brothers, respectively. Some time ago, he lost contact with his teacher.

Anyways from what he DID tell everyone was that the story passed down was his style is a Wu Xing Quan system from the Southern Shaolin. That's about as specific as it gets. And it also supposedly predates Hung Ga Kuen.

Anyways, I'm just conveying what I gathered. Nothing is "my opinion" just passing along information.

He did post up two forms and I can't really place them. So I thought, maybe some people on here could:

"White Crane Form" http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...4543409&hl=en#

"Young Tiger Form" http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...7351959&hl=en#

So, thoughts? Real deal? Wushu stuff? Non-Chinese stuff? Fake stuff?

[CLFNole]

The first one isn't a white crane form and I highly doubt it is a 5-Animal style that predates hung gar It lacks pow choy and cup choys that are well known from hop gar, lama & white crane.

The 2nd form looks similar to the 1st except with a few tiger claws.

Sometimes it is better to say nothing if you get my drift.

[TenTigers]

looks made up. copied from watching people do forms. No connection, no alignment on..anything.Note the misstepping on the kay lin bo in the Tiger set, and the attempt at the chin ji sau.
I think he added the "quart of blood technique" in the beginning, too.
If I'm wrong, then, I'll eat my hat.
(shouldn't be hard, it's just a small yarmulka...)

[Violent Designs]

Thanks for the fast replies.

[Eric Olson]

It's OK just to admit this is your new Sifu.

EO

[Violent Designs]

It's OK just to admit this is your new Sifu.

EO

The person in question used to post on MAP quite a bit. Now he goes on Bullshido mostly? Not sure, I think he's just busy with life stuff, work, video production (mostly with professional MMA scene).

That aside he does MMA/BJJ/SanDa now. Whatever "fake" CMA stuff he may have done he's always been a dedicated martial artist. Like I said, he's into MMA now (good for him I say).

Short GSP docu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH55vIjwyM0

His other works are very good too.

Is he my teacher? Nah, but he's a good guy. I'm pretty sure he's still in the NYC area though, so actually YOU can learn from HIM!!! See how well this is working out?

[AdrianK]

A lot of people in socal teach bunk, made up gung fu. Its not surprising he's doing that crap. It basically looks like someone strung together a bunch of basic ideas with no foundation or thought.

You should've seen this Wing Chun kid from Socal who posted on Myspace's WC group years ago, he posted pics of his "Wing Chun" and things his "Sifu" was telling him. We found out the guy teaching him claimed lineage under Thomas Wong, and when I contacted Sifu Wong he told me the guy was expelled from the school after only training less than two years. It was terrible. I suggested he hook up with Gary Lam. He did and never looked back.

[Eric Olson]

The person in question used to post on MAP quite a bit. Now he goes on Bullshido mostly? Not sure, I think he's just busy with life stuff, work, video production (mostly with professional MMA scene).

That aside he does MMA/BJJ/SanDa now. Whatever "fake" CMA stuff he may have done he's always been a dedicated martial artist. Like I said, he's into MMA now (good for him I say).

Short GSP docu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH55vIjwyM0

His other works are very good too.

Is he my teacher? Nah, but he's a good guy. I'm pretty sure he's still in the NYC area though, so actually YOU can learn from HIM!!! See how well this is working out?

Oh, sorry I forgot that this was your Sifu:

http://www.kungfuschool.org/

[iron_silk]

Any chance the White Crane was Fukien White Crane from Yang Jwing Ming and not the southern Bak Hok (i.e. Lama)?

[wgeelai]

The second video is parts of War Palm, Hung Gar.

[Violent Designs]

Oh, sorry I forgot that this was your Sifu:

http://www.kungfuschool.org/

Does it feel good to have every CLF guy you once knew hate you?

But you are, truly, a Farn Gwat Jai... in its lowest form.

[Eric Olson]

Does it feel good to have every CLF guy you once knew hate you?

Wow, you're really desperate to be liked on a kung fu message board. Kind of sad.

EO

[hskwarrior]

Eric O. the "Farn Gwut Jai"

How low can you go?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uGrLpIGdy8

[TenTigers]

The second video is parts of War Palm, Hung Gar.

you're right! Good call! I didn't realize. So, as I said before, he took bits and pieces from watching other sets and made sup bot lo-fan kuen.

[Eric Olson]

Eric O. the "Farn Gwut Jai"

How low can you go?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uGrLpIGdy8

You can never quit the gang, right?

EO