That's not exactly correct. True, you must try to stay "straight up and down" but it's less about your physical shape and more about the internal connection to the ground.
Taiji has Ti Da Shuai Na just like all the other CMAs.Since the hip throw is the mother of all throws, it's a good testcase for people who believes that taiji is a throwing art and not a striking art.
I can't remember when I've ever seen a hip throw Taiji so I'm guessing it's not there. Not sure why it violates principles though. Would you agree that it's hard to hip throw someone that's on balance?
Last edited by Eric Olson; 04-30-2011 at 04:35 AM.
yes. modern version of cross step single whip removed the bending back forward
but you traced the posture to earlier version especially chen or pre yang, you see it.
this is actually very common posture across many styles
in ba ji it is called tong bei shi with some variations
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there are several throw methods in that posture
let me use needle at bottom sea or hai di zhen in yang cheng fu tai chi then.
http://dongfangtaiji.5u.com/photo3.html
one side note
yang cheng fu postures are actually modified in 1930's (they are called yang cheng fu large frame or da jia)
they are more expansive or centralized for exercise or health purpose
the actual postures would be smaller or more compact
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all the modern wushu yang forms are based on yang cheng fu da jia.
or further modified.
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The hip throw has nothing to do with your opponent's balance but has to do with his force direction. If your opponent sinks down and collapse his body sturcture, it will be difficult to apply a hip throw on him. When that happen, you have to use combo that borrow his sinking force and "help" him to go down. Here is an example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvXFLIlgvI8
The principle of "borrowing force" is always helping your opponent to do whatever that he wants to do and never against his will. If your opponent wants to
- sink, you help him to sink more.
- raise, you help him to raise more.
- move back, you help him to move back more.
- move forward, you help him to move forward more.
- ...
If your opponent don't want to move, you force him to move, you then borrow his force after that - give first and take later.
Last edited by YouKnowWho; 04-30-2011 at 12:08 PM.
I have read thru this entire post, and it seems only one person is on an internal path or can see the difference, that is sad to see. Well at least I can see where everyone is in their journey.
I would suggest most people re-evaluated their path, most everone sounds like they are on the external path. You can not find the internal through the external. It is like trying to evaluate a new food when you have not emptied your mouth of the old food.
Once you find the internal you can add the external because now you have both and can now choose what you want to use or do to get the result you want.
The winner of the knowelge trivia game is Eric Olson.
Well done. If you can't see the difference in the videos, you have no idea, it is clear as day.
winner of too many posts with too little content is..
David Ross
Your avatar is of an ape. You look like even more of a fool than normal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA6sLOQpO4w
at 46 seconds in. That is an internal strike. Tai Ji opening move
at 1:05 internal-ish intercept, wedging entry... lost it/sloppy then external striking
1:30 definitely internal uplifting. E-Chuan 100%
2:42 to 3:05 pure external
3:22 is a beautiful display of back-foot-driven, intercept-and-stick-and-follow, knock someone down and spin them power. An example of skill if I saw so myself.
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If you do a thousand punches a day you have internal power.
Break it down 500 punches do it slow with no power but focus on correct structure and correct form
then do 500 Hundred after that against a wall bag or Mook Yan Jong with power.
Then you will have EXTERNAL power.
Throw a punch with no formal training is purely external.
The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.
"Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."
"Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."
"Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"
Yoshiyahu, I largely agree with your words.
Today many schools of style have internal and external training. To quote a comment by an sport instructor, that I came across on the web, "an athlete cannot reach his full athletic potential without mastering breathing skill first." CMA has similar view in that "a martial artist without internal conditioning will not reach the advanced level."
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KC
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