Learning Chinese for Kung Fu?

[dolphin_rider]

Hi everyone! Dear friends, I'm doing research about the roots of our school. I need your help identify this language. This is part of a Fighting song. I taught it as a poem. Did not read and did not see how it is written. I have no chinese characters, I get it as a poem.
...
sai mun cho saf
kong sang cho tsui
sieng ma ta hau tsui
sieng ma ta cho chien
sieng ma ta sau tsui
sat pek pao ma
alin atin akiu
... etc.

I need your help identify this language. I know the function, I need only define the language. ( My teacher said: "This is the language Siko".)

Best regards,
Dolphin Rider

[David Jamieson]

Hi everyone! Dear friends, I'm doing research about the roots of our school. I need your help identify this language. This is part of a Fighting song. I taught it as a poem. Did not read and did not see how it is written. I have no chinese characters, I get it as a poem.
...
sai mun cho saf
kong sang cho tsui
sieng ma ta hau tsui
sieng ma ta cho chien
sieng ma ta sau tsui
sat pek pao ma
alin atin akiu
... etc.

I need your help identify this language. I know the function, I need only define the language. ( My teacher said: "This is the language Siko".)

Best regards,
Dolphin Rider

Gonna guess it's a phonetic version of Cantonese. Phonetic spellings can mess with translations though.

[mig]

Gonna guess it's a phonetic version of Cantonese. Phonetic spellings can mess with translations though.

I guess your guess is a good guess unless this is a-lin a-tin a-kiu and it is not a phonetic version but a non trained ear to pick sounds that should be transcribed differently. Maybe it is important to learn Chinese for Kung fu instead of guessing. Hope there is a Cantonese here to help or an American who speaks fluently Cantonese or any version of Seiyap dialect.

[-N-]

I guess your guess is a good guess unless this is a-lin a-tin a-kiu and it is not a phonetic version but a non trained ear to pick sounds that should be transcribed differently. Maybe it is important to learn Chinese for Kung fu instead of guessing. Hope there is a Cantonese here to help or an American who speaks fluently Cantonese or any version of Seiyap dialect.

Cantonese here. Family and relatives spoke Sei Yup, Sam Yup, and Loong Do.

Looks like phonetic spelling of Cantonese to me.

[dolphin_rider]

Thank you, David Jamieson! Thank you, Mig! Thank you, -N-!

I understand that the phonetic spelling always contains inaccuracies. But I do not have a graphic writing. My teacher said - I repeat the words and perform the movement.

Translation unnecessary. This is the name of various technical movement. I want only to identify the language.

So, Cantonese. How interesting! Then I will show you these movements on video.

[GeneChing]

Even with pinyin for Mandarin, having the Chinese characters solves any ambiguity. It's especially important for Cantonese as very few Kung Fu people are familiar with a real Romanization system. This is even harder for dialects like Sei Yup, Sam Yup or Hakka.

[bawang]

sounds like choy lee fut

[dolphin_rider]

Thank you, Gene Ching! Thank you, Bawang!

Of course - to publish the Chinese characters solves any ambiguity. To me it is clear. If I were the Chinese characters - I am 100% would publish the Chinese characters. But I do not have Chinese characters. I taught this all as a poem. My teacher said - I repeat the words and perform the movement.

I always thought that this language Hakka.

[-N-]

Thank you, Gene Ching! Thank you, Bawang!

Of course - to publish the Chinese characters solves any ambiguity. To me it is clear. If I were the Chinese characters - I am 100% would publish the Chinese characters. But I do not have Chinese characters. I taught this all as a poem. My teacher said - I repeat the words and perform the movement.

I always thought that this language Hakka.

If you do a video of the words and moves, we probably can translate to characters.

sat pek pao ma = killing strike(splitting/chopping) running horse?

[mig]

sounds like choy lee fut

How do you know is CLF if you are from the north?

[-N-]

sat pek pao ma = killing strike(splitting/chopping) running horse?

Does this sequence have hard strikes swinging down on a high target(or clearing a middle attack) and use fast footwork to drive in or run over the opponent?

[-N-]

Hi everyone! Dear friends, I'm doing research about the roots of our school. I need your help identify this language. This is part of a Fighting song. I taught it as a poem. Did not read and did not see how it is written. I have no chinese characters, I get it as a poem.
...
sai mun cho saf
kong sang cho tsui
sieng ma ta hau tsui
sieng ma ta cho chien
sieng ma ta sau tsui
sat pek pao ma
alin atin akiu
... etc.

I need your help identify this language. I know the function, I need only define the language. ( My teacher said: "This is the language Siko".)

Best regards,
Dolphin Rider

Kind of an interesting puzzle.

I'll take a wild guess at an interpretation, but it's a huge stretch without hearing the words and seeing the moves.

sai mun cho saf - get ready
kong sang cho tsui - strike out with hard body power
sieng ma ta hau tsui - advance and strike/clear behind
sieng ma ta cho chien - advance and strike out forward
sieng ma ta sau tsui - advance and hit/clear the hands
sat pek pao ma - (previous motions combined become) killing splitting strikes with running footwork
alin atin akiu - stick, advance, bridge

[dolphin_rider]

Kind of an interesting puzzle.

I'll take a wild guess at an interpretation, but it's a huge stretch without hearing the words and seeing the moves.

sai mun cho saf - get ready
kong sang cho tsui - strike out with hard body power
sieng ma ta hau tsui - advance and strike/clear behind
sieng ma ta cho chien - advance and strike out forward
sieng ma ta sau tsui - advance and hit/clear the hands
sat pek pao ma - (previous motions combined become) killing splitting strikes with running footwork
alin atin akiu - stick, advance, bridge

-N-, thank you for your time and attention to this matter!

I think that you was right on target! All of this - very logical!
I made a video on the weekend. So you can hearing the words and seeing the moves.

[-N-]

-N-, thank you for your time and attention to this matter!

I think that you was right on target! All of this - very logical!
I made a video on the weekend. So you can hearing the words and seeing the moves.

Will be interested to see it.

The concept reminds me a little of one we have in a Praying Mantis form.

The sequence is called Koi Ma Sam Chui - Covering the horse three punches.

In the form, you step in three times with swinging strikes to clear and attack.

In actual usage, the sequence combines into a continuous running hard power attack.

[dolphin_rider]

Today we made a video. Tomorrow I show it.
What do you think, to continue here, or continue in private messages?