Why is there not a single WC fighter, anywhere!!!!!!!!!

[Frost]

strange that, the only clips people can find of good wing chun principles in action are from non wing chun guys.........of course of course real chunners dont tape their full contact sparring matches, just their drills

[k gledhill]

strange that, the only clips people can find of good wing chun principles in action are from non wing chun guys.........of course of course real chunners dont tape their full contact sparring matches, just their drills

Kinda leading to my point....one Guy probably does lots of bag/ pad work on impact, timing, distance...etc.....the other deludes himself with touchy geeky hand chasing.

[Phil Redmond]

strange that, the only clips people can find of good wing chun principles in action are from non wing chun guys.........of course of course real chunners dont tape their full contact sparring matches, just their drills

Our TWC principles were used in full contact. They did well for their their very first fights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NCv...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZDkP...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyQH4M550M0

Resulted in this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1bSkRY3iWI

[Phil Redmond]

There is also this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsS2WUlq8C0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb9-KSC1fPQ

Yeah, I know. Where are the choreographed, textbook demonstration techniques that myself and others do? The bottom line is that we have fighters testing what we do and learning from it.

[m1k3]

There is also this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsS2WUlq8C0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb9-KSC1fPQ

Yeah, I know. Where are the choreographed, textbook demonstration techniques that myself and others do? The bottom line is that we have fighters testing what we do and learning from it.

Kudos to you and your people for getting out there and competing and taping it. Other than Alan's folks I can't think of anyone else who has done this.

[Golden Arms]

Our TWC principles were used in full contact. They did well for their their very first fights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NCv...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZDkP...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyQH4M550M0

Resulted in this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1bSkRY3iWI

Frost,

I am curious what you are going to say now that video has been provided per your request. Are you satisfied or were you here to talk trash?

[Frost]

Frost,

I am curious what you are going to say now that video has been provided per your request. Are you satisfied or were you here to talk trash?

satisfied, not really, i have always given props to phil and to alan orrs guys

Having said that TWC is not the same as what alot of people on this thread practise and it wasnt phils videos they were pointing it is was befort and another MMA fighter who have never trained wing chun in their lives


you happy with that reply?

[YouKnowWho]

Many different combat systems may share the same principle. The most common one may be the "single leg" that's commonly used in all wrestling systems. The WC chain punch is just a principle. Anybody from any style can apply that principle in combat. Even MMA guys can "cross train" chain punches (you can call it "head hunting" if you want to) and put that skill into their toolbox. After you can apply your chain punches principle in combat, where did that concept came from is not important IMO.

[anerlich]

they were pointing it is was befort and another MMA fighter who have never trained wing chun in their lives

The other guy was Lyoto Machida, and some credibility desperados on this forum want to extrapolate his karate influence and Vitor's two second use of something resembling chain punching into validation of WC.

Basically, you can't get there from here.

I too give props to Phil and Alan Orr.

[Faruq]

Hey guys,

I won't lie, I'm getting a little bummed here. I love WC and I know I'll never stop studying it but my outlook is really starting to change on the endgame of what WC can really do. Aside from the MT fights back in Ip Man's day where WC won a few rounds, why is there not a single piece of footage anywhere of WC dominating in a true fight, whether it be competition or street????

On a personal level I'm confident that I can handle my own against the 'average' opponent. I've used it a few times in a few situations but I used the timing I've learned, more than anything in those fights, with balance and a straight punch. Borderline WC at the end of the day. But who's to say that something like boxing couldn't teach timing even more efficiently? Boxer's have d#mn good timing!

It seems that WC and all this theory, that in a lot of respects guys just make up everyday, is just a gentlemen's club for WC only. I've seen and felt good WC dominate other WC but have never, as much as I incessantly look for it, seen a single example of a WC guy doing anything to an actual worthy opponent. There's something inherently wrong there.

WC against an average joe, hands down, you can kick some a$$. But WC against another trained fighter, never seen, ever!!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing WC, I love it, but I'm also trying to be realistic in it's effectiveness. No offense to anyone anywhere but the few sparring clips that are even available are laughable to say the least. Two, they're not really fighting and three, even if the WC guy gets an upper hand, it's usually because the opponent is not very good himself.

Some guys will say, "well, competition has rules" or "WC attacks are too deadly" or "the true WC fighters don't boast themselves" or "all you gotta do is rush him when he kicks or do this or that when he punches". Screw all of that!!! There is NOTHING!!! Anywhere!! Video and photos have been available since long before WC was even exposed to the world and there is absolutely nothing!!! I don't know about anyone else here but that really bothers me.

I think WC is effective as self-defense and will bode reasonably well against the average attacker but I'm seriously getting depressed in the fact that WC isn't very effective against another skilled opponent, unless that opponent happens to practice WC too. And that just sucks. I'm tired of demo's, I'm tired of theory, I'm tired of only Chi Sau. I want to see 'proof' that WC can hold it's own in the fighting world!!!

Check out this video of K1 knockouts. Almost every single attack I see in here would break right through a WC guys "structure" and he would get knocked the **** out just like everyone else!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgrC8XfrL18


Anyone else here feel the same way?


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What about the guy in this old post:

This is an old clip, and if anyone knows the WC fighter and lineage please post it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXg0F...eature=related

I'm pretty sure this is the same guy off some youtube clips and his site.
I can't read the language it's written in so I can't tell you him lineage however he seems to mix in a bit of MMA with his WC/VT not that there is anything wrong with that so long it works for you in my opinion.

www.vingtsun-belgium.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQTBArJYRVE ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2lkG...eature=related

[YouKnowWho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1dh_...layer_embedded

I like this clip for many reasons. He has

1. strong "tiger spirit" that trying to eat his opponent alive.
2. good forward leaning that give him forward momentum to run his opponent down.
3. fast and well balanced footwork to finish his job.
4. fast and strong chain punches (head hunting if you prefer to call it) to feed to his opponent's head.

We can all learn a lot from a good clip like this.

Many years ago, a guy wanted to compete in tournament in Taiwan. He had no TCMA teacher, no TCMA training. His friend told him a training method. He tied a coconut with ropes between 2 trees. Everyday he just chessed that coconut with his fists. After 6 months training, he went to his 1st tournament. Nobody could get out of his "head hunting" and he won the 1st place in that tournament.

Style? Who care about style?

[Phil Redmond]

Thanks for the support guys. What I was happy about was that our guys competed in an international amateur event and got first and second place. Joe Marrero knocked out the Japanese San Da Champion. When I up loaded the clip he and someone from his organization told me to take it down. Everyone has to pay to do videos there so his organization had no copyright to the clip.
This made me very happy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aue6bIplPwI
We have a fighter for the upcoming Lei Tai in MD.

[kowloonboy]

What about the guy in this old post:

This is an old clip, and if anyone knows the WC fighter and lineage please post it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXg0F...eature=related

http://translate.google.com/translat....com%2Fmaitres

I think Yip Man -> Yip Ching -> Him

[anerlich]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1dh_...layer_embedded

I like this clip for many reasons.

That's the Vitor Belfort clip Frost and I were discussing.

Nothing whatever to do with Wing Chun, despite the wishes of (too) many.

[k gledhill]

That's the Vitor Belfort clip Frost and I were discussing.

Nothing whatever to do with Wing Chun, despite the wishes of (too) many.

you need a refresher course in 101 VT