Animals of Wing Chun

[CFT]

What is the Chinese term for single leg standing practice?

Coming from the Jun Mo school, this was called 'Dook Long Jong Lin' Single Dragon Fundamental Practice, and it is practised throughout the system from wooden man to pole, or in fact anytime you stand on one leg!

The general CMA term is 'gam gai duk lap' in Cantonese, as mentioned by TenTigers. aka 'Golden Rooster stands on one leg'.

金雞獨立

'duk' means single/one
'lap' means vertical, i.e. standing.

It is more poetic in Chinese. The standard English translation doesn't do it justice.

The imagery is quite fitting I guess. Roosters strutting about the farmyard occasionally stand on one leg. I can't see how the dragon comes into it really.

[LoneTiger108]

The general CMA term is 'gam gai duk lap' in Cantonese, as mentioned by TenTigers. aka 'Golden Rooster stands on one leg'.

金雞獨立

'duk' means single/one
'lap' means vertical, i.e. standing.

It is more poetic in Chinese. The standard English translation doesn't do it justice.

The imagery is quite fitting I guess. Roosters strutting about the farmyard occasionally stand on one leg. I can't see how the dragon comes into it really.

Thanks for sharing that

Again, it just proves my point that animal references are ingrained in TCMA. BUT I think what you're missing is the fact that the line I mentioned, Dook(Duk) Long Jong Lin, IS A WING CHUN KUIT from my own training experience.

I know that learning 'general' terms may be of use, especially if you want to converse with other systems, but my point is we are learning Wing Chun, and Wing Chun has its own slang for almost everything. Code-names if you like, to disguise the intent.

The Dragon reference is more linked into the 'look and feel' of a Dragons tail ie. having a steady and tight upper leg (representing the base of the tail), but loose and flexible lower leg (representing the end of the tail) Also, the Dragon can symbolize steadiness and longevity, hence SLT on 1 leg!!!

[LoneTiger108]

As for this picture of Ip Man, notice his single leg stance. Look at the alignment of the upper thighs to the calf, as if the lower leg is simply hanging from the knee. Then, if you look closer at the foot itself, I call this Poon Long Gerk (enclosed Dragon foot)

This posture is very very famous in Canton Opera, and fundamental to all legwork training. And to share a little idea with you all, I have used such positioning on the Wooden Man to 'leap' up onto the arms then head of the wooden body where I settle into a single leg stance to practise SLT!!!

Not recommended for everybody, but something that you would experience if you learnt any Lion Dancing or Mui Faa pole stepping combinations. Both of which I was exposed to a little during my time learning Wing Chun at Jun Mo.

[LoneTiger108]

Here is a way to train Snake & Crane ideas within your interaction (Chisau) training...

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...3&postcount=15

Enjoy!

[Eric_H]

Does WC have animal sets?

Not unless they were added later, like in the Vietnam Branch of WC.

Does it have "attitudes" and tools based on the animals? Sure.

Crane Wing Arm, Eagle Wing Arm, Dragon Claw. Snake Intent, Crane Intent.

What does that really amount to? Not a whole heck of a lot outside of the Siu Lam signature.

[Graham H]

As for this picture of Ip Man, notice his single leg stance. Look at the alignment of the upper thighs to the calf, as if the lower leg is simply hanging from the knee. Then, if you look closer at the foot itself, I call this Poon Long Gerk (enclosed Dragon foot)

This posture is very very famous in Canton Opera, and fundamental to all legwork training. And to share a little idea with you all, I have used such positioning on the Wooden Man to 'leap' up onto the arms then head of the wooden body where I settle into a single leg stance to practise SLT!!!

Not recommended for everybody, but something that you would experience if you learnt any Lion Dancing or Mui Faa pole stepping combinations. Both of which I was exposed to a little during my time learning Wing Chun at Jun Mo.

That's not a single leg stance ffs! Is there even such a thing in Ving Tsun???? No!!!! Its a kick and that particular picture is of Yip Man posing for a photo NOT practicing!!!

I thought you would know that. ****!! You have proved me wrong again!! Basic stuff that. There are more problems with that photo but I don't want you to burst my faith in your knowledge!

G

[LoneTiger108]

That's not a single leg stance ffs! Is there even such a thing in Ving Tsun???? No!!!! Its a kick and that particular picture is of Yip Man posing for a photo NOT practicing!!!

You do make me laugh sometimes. This picture is from Ip Chuns 116 Wooden Man book. It's in my 3rd set.

And OFCOURSE ALL of the pictures that Ip Man produced for his students were 'posed' for, for accuracy AND with 'terms', like in Cantonese, so people wouldn't forget what he was trying to show.

I guess that you do have a name for this specific posture/technique too? Oh! That's right, it's a 'kick'

You have proved me wrong again!! Basic stuff that. There are more problems with that photo but I don't want you to burst my faith in your knowledge!

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G, I don't think you, of all people, could burst my happy WCK bubble so don't worry yourself about such things. Y'know I love everything about this forum don't you? All the diversity and propoganda.

And even the guys that seem so blinkered by one mans 'way' have their moments.

[Graham H]

And even the guys that seem so blinkered by one mans 'way' have their moments.)

Blinkered?? LMAO....That's like saying that after years of driving around in rubbish cars and you eventually drive a Ferrari you all of a sudden think the Ferrari is the best car in the world. You have been blinded by its brilliance!!! Ha Ha....I'll stick to my Ferrari mate and you you're Robin Reliant!! pmsl

G

PS..Please don't come out with an analogy of car preferences please. Ferrari, Lambo, MaClaren F1.....who cares???... They are better than a 1981 Ford Escort!!!

[LoneTiger108]

So you 'presume ' I am referring to you??

Interesting...

Actually, answer me this, do you open your YJKYM by dropping the knee and opening the toes first or the heels first?

I would bet on the toes first, and THAT opening move is named after the Dragon in the family I have learnt from. So, if you're happy with what you do and are not interested in the language or culture your art originates, I can't do anything about that. There's is also nothing wrong in that either. There is space in this World for everyone, if only people can accept differences...

[Graham H]

....................I'm not trying to smother your happiness mate!!! How is the course of Prozac going??

[Graham H]

So you 'presume ' I am referring to you??

Interesting...

Ok maybe we have all been blinkered by Yip Man himself!! spooky!! lol

[LoneTiger108]

Ok maybe we have all been blinkered by Yip Man himself!! spooky!! lol

Now THERE'S an interesting concept

[Graham H]

Actually, answer me this, do you open your YJKYM by dropping the knee and opening the toes first or the heels first?
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Ha! The reason for opening in the stance that way is so we can adopt the correct position so as to train it. Its a way of adopting the correct foot position. What we are training in this stance (and it is a training stance and not a fighting stance until Chum Kiu) is two rear leg positions once the stance starts to function by stepping. The turning in of the toes and the bringing in of the knee gives us the perfect structure for supporting the punch and so we can push forward with no collapsing of our body structure. It's all about bio-mechanics and how we can best develop the body for fighting. As this position isn't natural to us we train it for long periods which also helps to build strength in the legs. Its the same idea as why we bring the elbow into the center and push it forward for training the punch in the form.


It is common knowledge that WSL explained these ideas as correcting the bad habits we accrue through daily life. We don't do anything that requires the elbow to be used in such ways nor do we do anything that requires us to turn the toes in and sink the knees. These attributes are necessary for Ving Tsun so the forms teach us and develop these methods.

If WSL used this method of explanantion then Yip Man would have. It's common sense.

I don't even open the stance when I practice. I just get in it. I only teach it because it helps beginners get things right. When they understand this then there is no need for them to do it either.

GH

Maybe the dragon hanging leg stances were left in the cupboard with all the other junk!! LOL

[GlennR]

[QUOTE=Graham H;1097663]I don't even open the stance when I practice. I just get in it. I only teach it because it helps beginners get things right. When they understand this then there is no need for them to do it either.

GH

You teach people??

BWAHAHAHAHA!!

Sorry, couldnt help myself

[LoneTiger108]

If WSL used this method of explanantion then Yip Man would have. It's common sense...

...Maybe the dragon hanging leg stances were left in the cupboard with all the other junk!! LOL

First of all, let's start with your usumption that WSL taught in exactly the same manner as Ip Man. Wrong imho. WSL taught how he wanted to teach, and made further refinements he thought were required. He also taught the 'hardcore' westerner, which Ip Man did not, so his teaching would have been different. Now THAT makes sense

Secondly, you can't even answer my simple question without babbling on about nothing so please! Refering to things as 'junk' because you simply do not understand them is a bit childish, and WCK was not invented for kids y'know?

If you have nothing else to contribute here on this thread...