Wing Chun Lineage with Chin Na and Throw

[kowloonboy]

why not just throw the guy? Or hit him AND throw him?

Even though I am new to Wing Chun, I don't see anything wrong with this. If we throw the guy on the ground and follow up with attacks, then our opponent no longer has control right? Since he/she didn't expect to be on the floor. During this shocking period, we can finish them off, right? One of the key strategy in fighting to surprise our opponent, doesn't this surprise them?

[YouKnowWho]

Why not just throw the guy? Or hit him AND throw him?

It make sense to throw your opponent and then hit him because when he is on the ground, he is not going anywhere. It also makes sense to combine strike and throw as one move. It doesn't make sense to hit him and then throw him. The reason is simple. Your striking may cause the distance between you and your opponent to be increased, that will not be helpful for your throw.

[couch]

Wing Chun is opportunistic. If a throw presents itself and you are comfortable in this arena, go for it.

[YouKnowWho]

such as holding the back of your opponent's head and smashing their face, ... To follow this kind of strike up with a throw has a narrower set of requirements and is not as high percentage as the methods outlined above.

I won't call that throw but to "let go your opponent's dead body" instead.

[wolf3001]

Each school is different I have read several branches out of China use Chin Na but to my knowledge my teacher doesn't have much knowledge of it. I for one never learned many joint locks or holds. My teacher did some Jujutsu and has showed us a few things although not much. We have learned to throw someone who is choking us from behind as well as some knife defenses. The only throws or sweeping techniques I know come out of the forms. I know some other things but they aren't from Wing Chun.

Just looking on yuotube because I have seen Wing Chun people using Chin Na here before I found this. I have used some of this stuff before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fWMuCYCdd0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ioeC...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFyYO...eature=related

Some other people from the William Cheung system showing off ways to use our Siu Lim Tau.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqQ4x_sb-U0

[kowloonboy]

Just looking on yuotube because I have seen Wing Chun people using Chin Na here before I found this. I have used some of this stuff before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fWMuCYCdd0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ioeC...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFyYO...eature=related

Some other people from the William Cheung system showing off ways to use our Siu Lim Tau.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqQ4x_sb-U0

Thanks, they are very educational.

[wolf3001]

I would like to learn Chin Na more because I have very limited joint lock knowledge. I wouldn't mind doing some Aikido or Jujutsu as well. There are a lot of Wing Chun techniques that to me are good set up for applying a lock. Also if I could I would try some Shuai Jiao.

[kowloonboy]

I would like to learn Chin Na more because I have very limited joint lock knowledge. I wouldn't mind doing some Aikido or Jujutsu as well. There are a lot of Wing Chun techniques that to me are good set up for applying a lock. Also if I could I would try some Shuai Jiao.

I came from Shaolin Kung Fu background, and I think that you might be better off learning Shaolin Chin Na, as it will be closer to Wing Chun as it is still Kung Fu. Since Wing Chun's root is supposed to came from Shaolin, it make more sense.

There is a good book "Shaolin Chin Na by Jwing-Ming Yang", check it out. Also from my limited knowledge of Aikido and Traditional Jujutsu, they use big circle to do locks (Chin Na). Kung Fu Chin Na, doesn't use big circle so it might be better to apply to Wing Chun Principle. As it is more direct and use smaller movement to do the same thing.

http://www.artofwarfc.cn/?q=node/276

[YouKnowWho]

I would like to learn Chin Na more because I have very limited joint lock knowledge. I wouldn't mind doing some Aikido or Jujutsu as well. There are a lot of Wing Chun techniques that to me are good set up for applying a lock. Also if I could I would try some Shuai Jiao.

SC master David C. K. Lin has a video tape that contain 40 different joint locking skills. That's the best joint locking information that I'll recommand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXM3zaBnO4

Of course my longfist brother Jwing-Ming Yang's Shaolin Chin Na book is good too.

[wtxs]

- a freshly downed opponent loses the initiative (at least temporarily.)

So the violent takedown is a very important part of Wing Chun's method; the more damage you inflict on an opponent going down, the less likely they are to recover quickly (if at all) and the more time you have to deal with whatever situation you find yourself in.

My question to you is ... why do you learn WC? Could it be that you hope to end an confrontation quickly if happens. and not give your attacker the remote possibility of an second chance? This is the goal of any martial art ... WC"s goal is to use the least number of technique/movement toward that end.

The violent take down is good, I prefer the violent knock down / knock out.

[Phil Redmond]

Trying to find locking and throwing in the WC system is almost the same as trying to find kicking and punching in the Judo system. Both make little sense IMO.

A fight is a fight. You take what's available. Also Jigaro Kano didn't develop Judo as a fighting system. Wing Chun is a fighting system. It'd be better to say that there is no Cum Na in the Wing Chun you do than to say that it doesn't exist. I know it exists for me and other WC people.

[faxiapreta]

A fight is a fight. You take what's available. Also Jigaro Kano didn't develop Judo as a fighting system. Wing Chun is a fighting system. It'd be better to say that there is no Cum Na in the Wing Chun you do than to say that it doesn't exist. I know it exists for me and other WC people.

Yes Kano developed judo as a fighting system. That was his whole original philosophy.

He turned traditional jujutsu into a more realistic fighting system by emphasizing randori and groundwork.

[Phil Redmond]

Yes Kano developed judo as a fighting system. That was his whole original philosophy.

He turned traditional jujutsu into a more realistic fighting system by emphasizing randori and groundwork.

Some say that he took the more violent aspects of Jujitsu out so that his art could be used in competitions and taught in schools.

[faxiapreta]

Some say that he took the more violent aspects of Jujitsu out so that his art could be used in competitions and taught in schools.

What he did was take out the parts that couldn't be practiced full force in order to make it more effective.

He proved his point in a match-up between older styles of Jiu-jitsu and Judo at the Tokyo police headquarters in the late 1800's. After that, Judo was named the Japanese national martial art and became the official art used by law enforcement.

Supposedly Kano actually became disappointed that sport judo started to become too watered down as a sport.

[B.Tunks]

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