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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piercinghammer View Post
    I don't wish to come across as impolite:

    Anyone who is training their iron palm method using mung beans, sand
    or pea gravel is really just wasting their valuable time and effort. The only,
    and I will say again "only" method to get absolute results is to use about 100 lbs
    of lead shot packed very carefully into a leather or lined "heavy" canvas bag.
    The training is mildy dangerous, in that if you do not watch how you hit this bag
    you will injure yourself.

    The medicine must have a great deal of resins in it to seal off the skin from
    the slight potential of the lead coming through the bag " but it will not".

    The training should be done 2 times per day for a total of 500 strikes per day
    after you have reached about the 40th day of training.

    Strict attention must be used with this training, it is not for the knucklehead who
    cannot understand what a relaxed body is and hit's the bag with force.
    YOU WILL BREAK YOUR HAND.

    This is to be done every day without missing, you should not " cannot"
    break the training if you can help it within the first 100 days.

    "The Mind leads the Chi. This has an association with the odor of the medicine.
    The odor of the medicine should trigger the movement of the chi. you will know this
    when you smell the finished medicine and your saliva glands start to produce.
    This movement must then be controlled and channeled with specific mental
    "qi gong" exercises. before and throughout training.

    This is the way things were done in the old school, prior to people selling
    their video's and iron plam programs. I had dinner with a very well known
    Northern Shaolin master some years back who was doing this mung bean and sand method with the video tapes and liniment sales angle. My feeling was
    that he felt this method was a safe way to introduce a person to this type of
    training, make money and not get tangled up with attorneys when somone
    hurts themselves.... but authentic, for true results, it would never fly in some
    places. and it has never flown with me.

    I will be doing a complete article in inside Kung fu on this subject, enough years have passed.


    Mike Biggie

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    Right on, though 100lbs of lead shot seems to be a bit much, I mean, what size hand do you have ??
    Psalms 144:1
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    He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !

  2. #152
    The 100 lb lead filled bag has a very specfic reason. The lead shot packs in a certain way different from any other material and has a different feel than any other material when you "drop" your hand on it. The bag should be packed as
    tightly with shot as you can get it. No loose bb's rolling around in there.

    Mke Biggie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piercinghammer View Post
    The 100 lb lead filled bag has a very specfic reason. The lead shot packs in a certain way different from any other material and has a different feel than any other material when you "drop" your hand on it. The bag should be packed as
    tightly with shot as you can get it. No loose bb's rolling around in there.

    Mke Biggie
    I understand, though in some schools a little give is prefered, but 100lbs of lead shot?
    I mean, wouldn't that depend on the size of the bag?

    It only needs to be bigger than your hand, not your car
    Psalms 144:1
    Praise be my Lord my Rock,
    He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !

  4. #154

    Iron Bull

    Akronviper- what towel are you talking about? i never said anything about a towel, and if you think a little soft towel will protect a fragile hand, so a person can bypass any conditioning
    more BS

    and yes, Piercinghammer- mine is the safe way- and not a waste of time

    and as far as Lead, if you use lead you are an IDIOT
    you can use stainless steel shot if you need to go to that level
    as far as the medicine triggering your chi Hahahahahahahaahahah

    to start with the hardest material is why people injure themselves.....



    I'm not selling anything just trying to shed some light on a Dark Subject..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kemo Martin View Post
    Akronviper- what towel are you talking about? i never said anything about a towel, and if you think a little soft towel will protect a fragile hand, so a person can bypass any conditioning
    more BS

    and yes, Piercinghammer- mine is the safe way- and not a waste of time

    and as far as Lead, if you use lead you are an IDIOT
    you can use stainless steel shot if you need to go to that level
    as far as the medicine triggering your chi Hahahahahahahaahahah

    to start with the hardest material is why people injure themselves.....



    I'm not selling anything just trying to shed some light on a Dark Subject..
    Stainless steel shot ???
    Do you even take into account rebound ?
    Psalms 144:1
    Praise be my Lord my Rock,
    He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !

  6. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    Stainless steel shot ???
    Do you even take into account rebound ?
    Lead Shot ?
    do you take into account- POISON

    more BS

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    Kemo,

    You have no knowledge of what you speak.

    Shifu Mike Biggie and I have been friends for years and have learned iron palm from similar sources. We use lead shot in special bags that are lined so that nothing comes out.

    My teacher told me to use lead. He has never been poisoned and I will not.

    Again you are talking like you know something.

    Your earlier reference was not only silly will cause more damage with your hitting with full force and using no medicinal formula.

    You are one of the best mouthboxers I have seen lately.
    Mouth Boxers have not the testicular nor the spinal fortitude to be known.
    Hence they hide rather than be known as adults.

  8. #158
    perhaps I should have made this point more clear..... You don't eat the lead.




    Don't put the lead shot in your mouth. Make sure it stays in the carefully sealed
    Leather or "lined" canvas bag. make sure that the medicine has a large amount
    of resin in it to seal off the skin... it will feel sticky when it dries.




    Mike Biggie

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    Thanks for the clarification Mike.

    It seems Kemo claims to have knowledge of Iron Palm but has no video to prove he has any skills.

    How about a vid of you hitting with full force on your bag.

    Ill bring my bag to you and you can try and hit it full force and we will see what happens. You would break your hand.

    Mouthboxers are cowards.
    Mouth Boxers have not the testicular nor the spinal fortitude to be known.
    Hence they hide rather than be known as adults.

  10. #160

    Iron vs. LEAD POSONING

    the reason they didn't use things like stainless steel in the "OLD DAYS"

    is probably because they didn't have it... you think

    so now wonderful alternates are available...for more than just this too!



    a classic example of being stuck in the past huh!

    do you need a video to understand LEAD POISONING

    trying to learn/train within a minimum time period is not good


    take your time train hard be safe

  11. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Piercinghammer View Post
    perhaps I should have made this point more clear..... You don't eat the lead.




    Don't put the lead shot in your mouth. Make sure it stays in the carefully sealed
    Leather or "lined" canvas bag. make sure that the medicine has a large amount
    of resin in it to seal off the skin... it will feel sticky when it dries.




    Mike Biggie
    Thats interesting, I used the PVC/Rubber lined bags but didn't know the Jow will help too.

    When do you guys wash your hand after you hit your bag, my wife hates the smell (I love it) so I wait 30 mins then wash. Should you wash sooner just incase of lead contanimation or leave on so it works better.

  12. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Kemo Martin View Post
    the reason they didn't use things like stainless steel in the "OLD DAYS"

    is probably because they didn't have it... you think

    so now wonderful alternates are available...for more than just this too!



    a classic example of being stuck in the past huh!

    do you need a video to understand LEAD POISONING

    trying to learn/train within a minimum time period is not good


    take your time train hard be safe
    They had copper, bronze, stone, beans, tree bark, coral, steel, concrete..... the list goes on. The lead gives some, deadens the blow and gives a good of amount of resistance. Use stainless steel ball bearings if ya want, just dosnt give you the same results and you end up hurting your hand. I want a powerfull strike without a deformed elephant hand that has no feeling

  13. #163

    Exclamation Iron Head vs. Lead Poisoning

    lead poisoning

    pretty easy to understand

    why its so dangerous



    especially when there are better ways

  14. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Dugas View Post
    Are you speaking to me?

    If so you can come learn from me here in Boston as that is where I am based.

    Thank you for the kind words.
    no problem man

    i'd come down and see what ur about in second if i lived in boston
    well unless ur talking about boston yorkshire and not boston massacheusetts
    in which case i will definately come down and see you



    still tho the question
    could you use it on the spot in a fight without preparing for a while first ?

    do you teach it seperately ? or as part of a system like bagua ?
    because i have no interest in learning that

    more in incorporating it into my mma game

    thankyou


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaolin Wookie View Post
    5. The reason you know you're wrong: I'm John Takeshi, and I said so, beeyotch.

  15. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Kemo Martin View Post
    lead poisoning

    pretty easy to understand

    why its so dangerous



    especially when there are better ways
    "The term "lead poisoning" is sometimes used as a dysphemism for gunshot wounds, as almost all bullets are mainly composed of lead. Despite this, bullets lodged in the body rarely cause significant levels of lead poisoning."




    weird that A BULLET lodged in the body
    wont cause lead poisoning

    but slapping a bag of it will ?


    there are only masters where there are slaves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaolin Wookie View Post
    5. The reason you know you're wrong: I'm John Takeshi, and I said so, beeyotch.

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