tarm sarm's hung kuen training?

[aussie1981]

Any one know how far he got? did he do the iron wire form etc?

[David Jamieson]

Any one know how far he got? did he do the iron wire form etc?

not sure, but he didn't propagate the style.

He propagated Bak Hsing CLF.

[HungSingBoxer]

Meaning of word: PROPOGATE prop·a·gate (prp-gt)
v. prop·a·gat·ed, prop·a·gat·ing, prop·a·gates
v.tr.

1. To cause (an organism) to multiply or breed.
2. To breed (offspring).
3. To transmit (characteristics) from one generation to another.
4. To cause to extend to a broader area or larger number; spread: missionaries who propagate the faith.
5. To make widely known; publicize: propagate a rumor.
6. Physics To cause (a wave, for example) to move in some direction or through a medium; transmit.
v.intr.
1. To have offspring; multiply.
2. To extend to a broader area or larger number; spread.
3. Physics To move through a medium.

Tam Sam did Propogate Buk Sing. He is the Founder of this Branch.
That is what his students were taught and continue to spread. Tam Sams Buk Sing version of Choy Lee Fut.

See English meaning of word PROPOGATE above

We all know there are 3 Distinct Branches - Chan family Hung Sing, Hung Sing and Buk Sing of Choy lee fut system.

Sifu Frank you seem to strenuously want to combine Buk Sing with your Hung Sing when you know and are aware Buk Sing are their own people, their OWN DISTICT BRANCH.

Sifu Frank below is an exert from your own blog:

http://clfqna.blogspot.com/

Now, Buk Sing Choy Lee Fut is basically the Hung Sing Kwoon, but with a little different flavor since its founder Tam Sam was always striving to better his gung fu. But the Buk Sing name came about because Tam Sam moved to the northern side of town, where they called themselves Siu Buk Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut style. But that was just too long to say to people everyday, so eventually Tam Sam, who was a die hard Hung Sing Man, was talked into calling his school the Buk Sing or Northern Victory Choy Lee Fut. Within Tam Sam's Choy Lee Fut he developed things not taught in other branches. He was a very forward thinking man and evolutionary, makin major contributions to the Choy Lee Fut system.

So it was not just a name change, but also different forward thinking techniques and methods not taught in other Branches as you say above.

This is why Buk Sing is different and why Tam Sam did PROPOGATE Buk Sing to his students and followers.

[hskwarrior]

Ok thanks.

[aussie1981]

Cheers hskwarrior, was it the Lacey's you spoke to? i met Vince and Shane at a seminar in Perth back in 2002. Good people.

[HungSingBoxer]

Cheers hskwarrior, was it the Lacey's you spoke to? i met Vince and Shane at a seminar in Perth back in 2002. Good people.

aussie1981, since you are from Perth you should speak to Master George Michaelson from Perth Buk Sing Choy Lay Fut Academy. He is at your doorstep, he is Buk Sing and he will surely provide you with accurate answers.

Wasting your time with know it all retards on this forum, will lead you down the wrong path...

Brief History Lesson:

Q.Did Jeong Hung Sing study with Grandmaster Chan Heung?
A. YES

Q.Did he complete his studies with him ( Grandmaster Chan Heung ) ?
A. NO

Q.Did Jeong Hung Sing further his studies with the Green Grass Monk?
A.YES

Q.Did Jeong Hung Sing synthesise his learning from both these Teachers and from his previous teachers?
A.YES but mostly used Fut Gar to create Fut San Hung Sing

Q.Did Jeong Hung Sing create Fut San Hung Sing?
A.YES

Q.Did he propogate Fut San Hung Sing?
A.YES

Now......

Q.Did Tam Sam study Hung Kuen at a young age?
A.YES

Q.Did he learn from Hung Sing Master Lui Charn?
A.YES

Q.Did he learn the whole system Forms etc from Master Lui Charn?
A.NO

Q.Why?
A. Cause Tam Sam beat up his Si Sooks/Si Hings while his Master was away and he got expelled from the school

Q.Did Tam Sam love to fight?
A.YES

Q. Did Tam Sam continue fighting other styles/people to further develop his skill and create different better methods in fighting?
A.YES

Q.Did Tam Sam evolve the little learning he got from his Master Lui Charn?
A.YES

NOW REMEMBER TAM SAM DIDNT EVEN KNOW ANY OF THE FORMS OF HIS HUNG SING STYLE.... OBVIOUSLY HE ONLY KNEW A LITTLE BIT OF THE STYLE THEN.

TAM SAM LEARNT THE FORMS LATER ON FROM CROSS TRAINING WITH ONE OF HIS SI HINGS, WHILE FURTHER DEVELOPING HIS OWN PERSONAL GROWTH AND TECHNIQUES BY ADDING TO WHAT HE WAS TAUGHT AND BETTERING IT.

Q.Did Tam Sam create a different version of the VERY LITTLE kung fu he learnt from his Hung Sing Teacher?
A.YES

Q.Does this mean he PROPOGATED his new improved version with different fighting methods and techniques, not used in Fut San Hung Sing to his students?
A.YES, OBVIOUSLY.

Sounds like Jeong Hung Sing and Tam Sam had alot in common, like creating a unique style of their own incorporating knowledge from their Masters and from Tam Sams standpoint, his own fighting experience with other masters and passing it on to future generations.

So YES, TAM SAM Did Propogate Buk Sing.

Now aussie1981 I hope this helps, but if not, speak to those closest to the source, who are actually Buk Sing Master George Michaelson from Perth where you live, will have answers for you.

Maybe Buk Sing should just be called BUK SING FUT GAR