Provable Internal Energy; Unbendable Arm

[CFT]

Regarding:
'I am an engineer, Bach in Mech Eng, '

Your bias is mechanical, as your degree implies, an expert would be an aeronautical engineer or physicist in wave theory and propagation; wave propagation occurs electrically also.

Mechanical Engineering was one of the last to get with the program of wave theory; that was developed in the late 1960's by physicists, not mechanics. I was fortunate to be taking physics when this was being developed.

Those that are seriously interested in studying this might start at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave

Wave theory of what?

d’Alembert published a formula for the solution of the wave equation in 1747.
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictiona...t%27s+equation

Thomas Young was already investigating the wave theory of light in the early 1800's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_...heory_of_light

Even the wave-particle duality observed in quantum mechanical experiments occured in the 1920's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2...tal_milestones

So where exactly does the 1960's fit into this? You mean you learned of wave theory in the 60's and assumed it was invented for your edification?

I doubt very much that the Mech Eng world knew nothing of wave theory prior to the 1960's. I can't be arsed to do the research. I'm sure other's can (again) point out the error of your ways.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Hydraulics does involve fluids, and has some fluid dynamics computationals related, but is not fluid dynamics.

Hydraulics Definition
'Study of liquids at rest and in motion, specially under pressure, and application of that knowledge in design and control of machines. In comparison, pneumatics is concerned with gases and their behavior under pressure.'

From: http://www.businessdictionary.com/de...ydraulics.html

Hydraulics
'The branch of engineering that focuses on the practical problems of collecting, storing, measuring, transporting, controlling, and using water and other liquids. It differs from fluid mechanics, which is more theoretical and includes the study of gases as well as liquids; and from hydrology, which is the study of the properties, distribution, and circulation of the Earth's water.'

From: http://www.answers.com/topic/hydraulics

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/hydraulics#ixzz1Lp7psv8g

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Definition of Fluid Dynamics:
'Fluid dynamics is the study of fluids (liquids and gases) in motion, and the effect of the fluid motion on fluid boundaries, such as solid containers or other fluids. Fluid dynamics is a branch of fluid mechanics, and has a number of subdisciplines, including aerodynamics (the study of gases in motion) and hydrodynamics (liquids in motion). These fields are used in such wide-ranging fields as calculating forces and moments on aircraft, the mass flow of petroleum through pipelines, prediction of weather patterns, and even traffic engineering'

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Fluid_dynamics



Since you are confused between Fluid Dynamics and Hydraulics, perhaps you should request a refund of the cost of your engineering degree, it did not help you much.

Wow, do you even READ what you write? LMAO !!

What has happened that THIS is the quality of trolls we get now?
Seriously, this is a tad insulting for Us.

[Foiling Fist]

Externalist (machine/muscle-heads) cannot keep their arm stationary, without flexing the muscles; and explain it without using Qi.

Here is how to test:
1) muscle use will show the muscles enlarged with blood,
the arm-hand will be rigid and/or spring back reactively.
2) when using Qi, the arm will have a little flexibility, but not much: like rattan.
3) the tissue response from being pressed down is more resilient,
than when limp yet has more give than when contracted muscularly.

If it were just the joints locking, without muscle tension, no explanation is given as to how this done consciously. Even if this were to be explained, it does not explain why the muscle tissue is neither limp nor flexed.

[SimonM]

tl;dr

Problem?

[Scott R. Brown]

Cut/Paste....

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Don't bother thinking or reading just....

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[Foiling Fist]

Good question: Wave theory of what?

The Slinky was developed in the 1940s for wave modeling.

Although Kinematic Wave Theory, in particular was obscurely developed much later than the 1920's; by Lighthill and Whitham in 1955;
the modeling apparatus for applying kinetic wave theory widely did not occur till the 1960s with water vats and the suspended bars wave machine; otherwise known as a torsion bar wave machine.

In the 1950s and 60s the kinematic wave theory was used by a number of investigators to describe glacial motion.

Kinematic wave models of network vehicular traffic; were not developed until 1960.

http://www.its.uci.edu/~wjin/publica...ssertation.pdf

“A torsion bar wave-machine is then used to repeat these experiments to demonstrate reflection and other phenomena “: from the National Research Council (U.S.) Office of Scientific Personnel - 1963 – Education.

See: http://books.google.com/books?id=_0A...0-hair&f=false

Wave theory of what?

d’Alembert published a formula for the solution of the wave equation in 1747.
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictiona...t%27s+equation

Thomas Young was already investigating the wave theory of light in the early 1800's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_...heory_of_light

Even though wave-particle duality observed in quantum mechanical experiments occured in the 1920's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2...tal_milestones

So where exactly does the 1960's fit into this? You mean you learned of wave theory in the 60's and assumed it was invented for your edification?

I doubt very much that the Mech Eng world knew nothing of wave theory prior to the 1960's. I can't be arsed to do the research. I'm sure other's can (again) point out the error of your ways.

[SimonM]

Good question: Wave theory of what?

The Slinky was developed in the 1940s for wave modeling.

Although Kinematic Wave Theory, in particular was obscurely developed much later than the 1920's; by Lighthill and Whitham in 1955;
the modeling apparatus for applying kinetic wave theory widely did not occur till the 1960s with water vats and the suspended bars wave machine; otherwise known as a torsion bar wave machine.

In the 1950s and 60s the kinematic wave theory was used by a number of investigators to describe glacial motion.

Kinematic wave models of network vehicular traffic; were not developed until 1960.

http://www.its.uci.edu/~wjin/publica...ssertation.pdf

“A torsion bar wave-machine is then used to repeat these experiments to demonstrate reflection and other phenomena “: from the National Research Council (U.S.) Office of Scientific Personnel - 1963 – Education.

See: http://books.google.com/books?id=_0A...0-hair&f=false

So what?

Just because a certain wave model can be used to model traffic congestion patterns does NOT mean that the force can let you magically move stuff with telekinesis.

This is what we call a non-sequitur.

[YouKnowWho]

2) when using Qi, the arm will have a little flexibility, but not much: like rattan ...

I can see sometime it's nice to have a "communist" in this forum. As long as that person is here, there is no need for any left wing liberal to argue with Glenn Beck.

[SimonM]

What? Who? Me?

I'm not a communist, I'm a democratic socialist. There's a difference.

[YouKnowWho]

What? Who? Me?

I'm not a communist, I'm a democratic socialist. There's a difference.

I'm talking about our MMA friends here.

1. TCMA guys who believe in Qi - right wing conservative.
2. TCMA guys who don't believe in Qi - left wing liberal.
3. MMA guys who don't believe in TCMA - communist.

When Mao Zedong argues with Glenn Beck, Bill Maher can just STFU.

[David Jamieson]

No.
I am an engineer, Bach in Mech Eng, speciality in pressure vessels and pressure piping.
So, obviously, fluid, steam, high temp and high pressure are things I know a "tad" about.
They have very little to do with how the HUMAN body works, which must be applied via human biomechanics.
Just like all physics MUST be "translated" to human biomechanics.

I agree. This is about flexible mechanical structure and it's properties. However, the veinal system would fall into a point of interest.

*snip* due to

Your bias is mechanical, as your degree implies, an expert would be an aeronautical engineer or physicist in wave theory and propagation; wave propagation occurs electrically also.

Mechanical Engineering was one of the last to get with the program of wave theory; that was developed in the late 1960's by physicists, not mechanics. I was fortunate to be taking physics when this was being developed.

...the human skeletal and muscular system is a flexible system that creates structures and breaks them in rapid succession. This has everything to do with bio-mechanical forces and influences and nothing to do with qi beyond it being the elan vidal that propels the person.

[CFT]

Good question: Wave theory of what?

The Slinky was developed in the 1940s for wave modeling.

The slinky was first developed as a toy. Next!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slinky

[SimonM]

The slinky was first developed as a toy. Next!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slinky

Ah, you are forgetting the secret history of the Slinky. A hint: It was part of a grand Rotarian conspiriacy.

[Scott R. Brown]

I thot slinky was a description of wiminz clothing!

[SimonM]

I thot slinky was a description of wiminz clothing!

Yes, it describes clothes that, when removed, will "walk" down a flight of stairs.