When and how long have you done iron hand?

[KC Elbows]

Me: back in '87-92 did a bad version, '95 did a better version, aside form bag wok(gloved and otherwise), don't do it much now, probably will again sometime.

[sanjuro_ronin]

8 years so far.
And before that, regular makiwara and or bag work since 1980.

[TenTigers]

Like KC, in the 90's did some-used the wrong jow, the wrong way-made my bones brittle-broke three fingers in one year...
Just started taking it up again as part of my general training, coupled with makiwara and lien gung.
Basically, at 54 (this July) I need to increase/maintain my bone/muscle density so it makes sense to train ip.

[faxiapreta]

Like KC, in the 90's did some-used the wrong jow, the wrong way-made my bones brittle-broke three fingers in one year....

Ummm... so doing IP training made your bones brittle. OK. So much for Wolff's Law.

Kind of ironic that you were arguing for effectiveness of IP training, when your whole experience with it resulted in you breaking your fingers.

[TenTigers]

Ummm... so doing IP training made your bones brittle. OK. So much for Wolff's Law.

um, ok, so read, stupid
Using the wrong jow incorrectly made my bones brittle.
It was a very caustic, black vinegar based jow that was only supposed to be used sparingly, during final phases of training.
I soaked my hands in it three times a day in the beginning of my training.

[KC Elbows]

Ummm... so doing IP training made your bones brittle. OK. So much for Wolff's Law.

Wrong.
7890

[faxiapreta]

um, ok, so read, stupid
Using the wrong jow incorrectly made my bones brittle.
It was a very caustic, black vinegar based jow that was only supposed to be used sparingly, during final phases of training.
I soaked my hands in it three times a day in the beginning of my training.

LOL @ jow seeping through your skin, tendons, muscles, and ligaments doing no damage to them, but somehow destroying your bones.

Um... OK. That sure doesn't make any sense.

[faxiapreta]

Let's see if I got this straight. It's not just hitting, it's the jow?

The jow determines whether your bones get strong or brittle?

Is that what you are claiming?

[TenTigers]

well, perhaps plumdragon could shed some light on this.
Basically, certain herbs affect bone...
sort of how....medicine can zero in on a specific area. herbs=medicine. Get it?
(we need a hand to forehead icon..)

the jow is a crucial PART of the training.
Jeez, are you really that stupid?
I mean, really?

[KC Elbows]

LOL @ jow seeping through your skin, tendons, muscles, and ligaments doing no damage to them, but somehow destroying your bones.

Um... OK. That sure doesn't make any sense.

If you want to make a thread for discussing people's claims, do so.

If you want to share you iron hand experience, do so.

If you derail all iron hand specific threads, you'll likely get banned.

[David Jamieson]

Let's see if I got this straight. It's not just hitting, it's the jow?

The jow determines whether your bones get strong or brittle?

Is that what you are claiming?

Let me get this straight.
You are a stupid little monkey.
Everyone else here is a calculus professor.
No matter what, you will never understand because you are uninvolved.

Now go fling your poop elsewhere little monkey, or we'll smash your head open and eat your brains while we laugh, drink tea and talk of the adventures of Judge Dee!

[faxiapreta]

well, perhaps plumdragon could shed some light on this.
Basically, certain herbs affect bone...
sort of how....medicine can zero in on a specific area. herbs=medicine. Get it?
(we need a hand to forehead icon..)

Oh, I see. It seeps through the skin, is caustic to bone, but spares skin, muscle, blood, tendon, ligament, and any other tissue it may come in contact with.

Speaking of snake oil.

[David Jamieson]

Oh, I see. It seeps through the skin, is caustic to bone, but spares skin, muscle, blood, tendon, ligament, and any other tissue it may come in contact with.

Speaking of snake oil.

do you know how food works?

do you know how wound staunching works?

do you know how to tie your shoes?

[KC Elbows]

Last warning.

[TenTigers]

Oh, I see. It seeps through the skin, is caustic to bone, but spares skin, muscle, blood, tendon, ligament, and any other tissue it may come in contact with.

Speaking of snake oil.

if I recall my biochem..basically, different chemicals trigger different receptors in the cells.