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    Tang Lang Bu Suan

    Here are my notes for the Seven Star set Tang Lang Bu Xuan (Praying Mantis Whirling Steps). This form is also known by some as Tang Lang Bu Chan (Praying Mantis Catches the Cicada).

    On his website, Lee Kam Wing lists this set as form number 17. It is followed by Praying Mantis Exits the Cave and Praying Mantis Steals the Peach. Perhaps one of his students can tell us if this is of significance or not.

    Note: Like most Praying Mantis tao lu, I have seen slight differences in this set depending on who was performing it.

    螳 螂 步 旋
    Tang Lang Bu Xuan
    Praying Mantis Whirling Step

    FIRST ROAD
    01. Middle Level Twins Store Up Power
    02. Seven Star, Left Hook Hand
    03. Ascend Mountain, Right Splitting Strike
    04. Ascend Mountain, Hook Grapple Pluck
    05. Ascend Mountain, Left Thrust Palm
    06. Seven Star, Right Insert Strike
    07. Ascend Mountain, Hook Grapple Pluck
    SECOND ROAD
    08. Ascend Mountain, Hang Gathering Strike
    09. Front Kick, Right Splitting Block
    10. Enter Ring, Right Observe Arm
    THIRD ROAD
    11. Ascend Mountain, Right Circle Strike
    12. Ascend Mountain, Right Crushing Strike
    13. Middle Stance, Double Seal Hands
    14. Horse Pattern, Right Sideward Strike
    15. Ascend Mountain, Right Yang Palm
    16. Right Closed Door Kick Method
    17. Tiger Riding, Right Lifting Palm
    18. Ascend Mountain, Hook Grapple Palm Strike
    19. Front Kick, Left Thrust Palm
    20. Horse Pattern, Right Splitting Strike
    FOURTH ROAD
    21. Ascend Mountain, Left Hook Hand
    22. Double Hooks, Right Seize Leg
    23. Ascend Mountain, Right Overturn Palm
    24. Penetrating Palm, Right Stride Step
    25. Collapse Stance, Double Seal Hands
    26. Ascend Mountain, Grab Gathering Strike
    FIFTH ROAD
    27. Ascend Mountain, Left Wheeling Strike
    28. Ascend Mountain, Right Circle Strike
    29. Seven Star, Catch Cicada Pattern
    30. Double Hook Hands, Take Eyes
    31. Following Hand, Work Shuttle Pattern
    32. Seven Star, Left Hook Hand
    33. Seven Star, Right Insert Strike
    34. Ascend Mountain, Right Uppercut Strike
    35. Enter Ring, Right Waist Cut
    SIXTH ROAD
    36. Ascend Mountain, Hang Gathering Strike
    37. Ascend Mountain, Right Splitting Block
    38. Ascend Mountain, Right Circle Strike
    39. Front Kick, Right Splitting Block
    40. Enter Ring, Right Observe Arm
    41. Enter Ring, Right Crushing Strike
    42. Right Close Door Kick Method
    43. Tiger Riding, Right Lifting Palm
    44. Ascend Mountain, Single Goose Exits Flock
    45. Ascend Mountain, Right Circle Strike
    46. Ascend Mountain, Hook Grapple Pluck
    47. Tiger Riding, Grab Gathering Strike
    48. Horse Pattern, Right Sideward Strike
    49. Tiger Riding, Catch Cicada Pattern
    Last edited by mooyingmantis; 06-16-2011 at 07:08 PM.
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    I cant speak for my sifu or sigung (Lee Kam Wing) but i think the correct name is whirlling or turnaround step. Because Chinese names can sound similar it can be confusing. Same problem with Lok Ying Palm.....Also we seem to have lost lots between translating Shandong'ese to Mandarin and Cantonese and then to English.

    Don't worry about the number 17 as its just a list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul T England View Post
    I cant speak for my sifu or sigung (Lee Kam Wing) but i think the correct name is whirlling or turnaround step. Because Chinese names can sound similar it can be confusing. Same problem with Lok Ying Palm.....Also we seem to have lost lots between translating Shandong'ese to Mandarin and Cantonese and then to English.

    Don't worry about the number 17 as its just a list.

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    Paul,
    Thank you for sharing!
    Do you mind telling us in which order you teach the following sets: Praying Mantis Whirling Steps, Praying Mantis Exits Cave, and Praying Mantis Steals Peach? Is there any significance in the order taught? Is one more or less advanced than the others?

    Tanglang Bu Xuan has about 50 patterns, and Tanglang Toutao also has about 50 patterns, while Tanglang Chu Dong has about 70 patterns. Is there a significance in the length of the patterns?

    As always, others are free to chime in if you have any thoughts on these questions or these forms.
    Last edited by mooyingmantis; 06-16-2011 at 07:08 PM.
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    I generally teach the forms Whirlling step, stealing peach and exists cave but only as thats the way they are listed. Many of my student swill learn forms out of the syllabus order at workshops and seminars.

    I once asked my sigung why a form was classed as advanced compared to a similar form in the system and he said it was because of the difficulty in the actions i.e. lots of back and forth movement or up and down.

    So my understanding is that you can learn the forms in any order but being able to do them well with the right flavour will require practice/skill.

    You got me thinking with the exit cave forms as both the white ape and mantis exit cave forms are longer than than counterpart stealing peach forms.


    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul T England View Post
    I generally teach the forms Whirlling step, stealing peach and exists cave but only as thats the way they are listed. Many of my student swill learn forms out of the syllabus order at workshops and seminars.

    Paul
    Thank you for sharing your method with us!


    Quote Originally Posted by Paul T England View Post
    I once asked my sigung why a form was classed as advanced compared to a similar form in the system and he said it was because of the difficulty in the actions i.e. lots of back and forth movement or up and down.

    So my understanding is that you can learn the forms in any order but being able to do them well with the right flavour will require practice/skill.

    Paul
    That was also my thought.


    Quote Originally Posted by Paul T England View Post
    You got me thinking with the exit cave forms as both the white ape and mantis exit cave forms are longer than the counterpart stealing peach forms.
    Paul
    Yeah, that is what I was getting at too. Hei Hu Chu Dong is also quite a bit longer than Hei Hu Jiao Cha. Though I do not know how it compares to Shang Shan Hu or Xia Shan Hu, since I do not yet have these two forms.
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