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    Internal vs. External

    It will be great if we can have internal clip and external clip side by side so we can clear see the difference. I'll suggest the following 4 pairs different clips for both "internal" and "external".

    1. punch to the head.
    2. kick to the chest.
    3. lock on the elbow.
    4. hip throw on the body.

    If you do believe that there is difference between "internal" and "external", would you mind to share your clips here?

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    are you trying to find fightin clips or demonstration clips?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    are you trying to find fightin clips or demonstration clips?
    Either one will be fine. Just try to solve this issue once for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Just try to solve this issue once for all.
    good luck on that one haha. but i will look around when i get home if i have a chance to try and contribute.

    i think to compare combat vid to combat vid, or demo vid to demo vid can be good to, so its on the same page/level.

    if possible....
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    you may classify some training methods as internal or external.

    the idea is that

    you cultivate your external strength, there is a limit you may reach

    however, with internal training or cultivation, you may increase your external strength

    and there is no ceiling for internal training.

    yes,

    just on the outlook, a punch is a punch, a kick is a kick, a lock is a lock, a throw is a throw.

    but may be use punch bag with meter or detector

    we may measure psi or pound per square inch

    after a while, we may see if internal training increase that or not.

    so try your punch first

    and after some internal training

    and try your punch again and measure psi.

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    even just look at the movement on the outside

    well they all look the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Either one will be fine. Just try to solve this issue once for all.
    Good luck with that sir!!

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    Example of an external throw:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uSfLDuRtOM

    Example of an internal throw:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uSfLDuRtOM

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    Internal is "felt" and not seen. With this definition internal people never have to show anything technically because they feel it subjectively in their bodies.

    You ever see youtube clips of yogic "flying" which is really just hopping while sitting indian style. When they talk about it they say, "The feeling inside your body while flying is amazing. Inside it feels like you are lighter than air." Unfortunately this translates into them hopping around on mats. I finally got my friend to admit that "yogic flying" is misleading because I think they try to make it sound like physical flying but they aren't. They're talking about internal flying and external hopping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SavvySavage View Post
    Internal is "felt" and not seen. With this definition internal people never have to show anything technically because they feel it subjectively in their bodies.

    You ever see youtube clips of yogic "flying" which is really just hopping while sitting indian style. When they talk about it they say, "The feeling inside your body while flying is amazing. Inside it feels like you are lighter than air." Unfortunately this translates into them hopping around on mats. I finally got my friend to admit that "yogic flying" is misleading because I think they try to make it sound like physical flying but they aren't. They're talking about internal flying and external hopping.
    I bet one crisp dollah that any internal martial artist in the world will definitely "feel" my externally produced strike upon their belly.
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    any art when practiced correctly is "internal," by definition; relaxed power, focused breath, intention, correct structure and alignment working as a unit, creating power and rooting.
    If it is forced, relying on brute strength improperly applied, it is not "external," it is simply wrong.
    Usually it is a result of improper or incomplete teaching, spread by guys who "earned" their Black Belts (a beginner's rank) and proclaimed themselves Masters, thus continuing the myth.
    The terms, "internal and external," are simply thrown around by modern day "internal stylists," and is nothing more than snobbery.
    Good Shotokan is as internal as Tai Gihk Kuen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TenTigers View Post
    any art when practiced correctly is "internal," by definition; relaxed power, focused breath, intention, correct structure and alignment working as a unit, creating power and rooting.
    If it is forced, relying on brute strength improperly applied, it is not "external," it is simply wrong.
    Usually it is a result of improper or incomplete teaching, spread by guys who "earned" their Black Belts (a beginner's rank) and proclaimed themselves Masters, thus continuing the myth.
    The terms, "internal and external," are simply thrown around by modern day "internal stylists," and is nothing more than snobbery.
    Good Shotokan is as internal as Tai Gihk Kuen.
    stop it, just STOP IT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron_Eagle_76 View Post
    Example of an external throw:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uSfLDuRtOM

    Example of an internal throw:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uSfLDuRtOM

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    LOL bravo sir, bravo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron_Eagle_76 View Post
    Example of an external throw:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uSfLDuRtOM

    Example of an internal throw:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uSfLDuRtOM

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    well played, sir!
    I actually expected someone to show a throw done indoors and then one done outside...
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