Training/fighting in a rule set

[sanjuro_ronin]

Of course, Sanjuro. But also you are one of the people who's been using the original argument that made me start this thread.

Because the argument is valid, the video thing is just trolling.
The arguement is a vaild one:
If you can pull of something under the best of circumstances, what makes you think you can pull it off under the worse?
And that is what too many people state when they say:
I don't train for the ring ( where its safe), I train for the street ( where it's dangerous).
I point out that if you can't make it work where its safe, its less likely to work were its dangerous.
And there is ample evidence of that.

[ShaolinDan]

The ring is not the best of circumstances...the guy in the ring is far more skilled than the guy in the street. In my short life I have been able to absolutely toy with some people...others can absolutely toy with me. I probably won't beat the guy in the ring, but I can certainly beat a lot more guys than I could before I started training.

how do you prove a technique can work on video, for this crowd? Have someone attack you all out over and over until you pull off the one specific technique you happened to mention on a thread 'cause you thought someone might appreciate it?


I do spar, and have been ever since I was a little kid...however, I don't do it three times a week and I know I'm not up to a competition level. And I don't videotape it...that's not why I do it.

I've also been in several fights (though none since I started kung fu, and most as a kid). I've also been in several real self-defense situations (not as a kid)...nothing like being in a fight...not the same thing at all. Also none since I started kung fu.

[Best thing about training martial arts, ANY martial art, is that you no longer get chosen as a target...not 'cause anyone knows you train, but because your carriage tells them to chose someone else.]

Now, as someone who has an idea of the dynamics of fighting, I feel capable of judging a technique for myself...I don't need someone else to prove it for me.

As someone who's not an amazing fighter or athlete (to say the least), I also know there are plenty of techniques which work...but not for me. My teacher can do things I can't do...should I never share things he's taught me, just because I can't do them? I have some big brothers in law enforcement and they sure seem to find what he teaches useful...No video of them in action either. Do you really want to make video mandatory for sharing?

Why not use your own experience as the criteria instead? And why make a fuss...if you see a problem state it, let your problem be addressed...if you have a problem with the answer, reply to that...no need for a video to prove...lack of video proves nothing. Be here to learn/discuss, not to police the learning/discussion for others...we can police our own learning, and if we can't, well, that's evolution, baby. Let it go.

[David Jamieson]

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aka Chris...

[Lucas]

He's one of them learned folk

[ShaolinDan]

also...I know you don't want to admit it, but the ring is not the street.
An ma who spends all his time training for the ring will beat the ma who only spends part of his time training for the ring...in the ring.

If weapons are involved, you use a longer guard...if multiple opponents are involved, mobility is much more important than ground fighting...if if if. In my school we train for everything...maybe we won't be the best at anything, but it certainly keeps it interesting...

I remember once arguing with Knifefighter about the validity of the standing armbar...he said it's cr*p, then I see a dog bros. vid he posted where 1/4 of techs shown are armbars...he says, well, dynamics of knife fight are diff then MMA fight. No sh*t...that's the point. You can't be the best at one if you learn both...but really, for survival and for fun, it's better to learn both. So sorry, I'll never have a vid of my MMA fight. Actually I have plantar fascitis (sp?)...need my arch support, only full-contact venue I'll probably ever be able to enter is boxing...probably won't...does that really prove anything?

[David Jamieson]

also...I know you don't want to admit it, but the ring is not the street.
An ma who spends all his time training for the ring will beat the ma who only spends part of his time training for the ring...in the ring.

If weapons are involved, you use a longer guard...if multiple opponents are involved, mobility is much more important than ground fighting...if if if. In my school we train for everything...maybe we won't be the best at anything, but it certainly keeps it interesting...

I remember once arguing with Knifefighter about the validity of the standing armbar...he said it's cr*p, then I see a dog bros. vid he posted where 1/4 of techs shown are armbars...he says, well, dynamics of knife fight are diff then MMA fight. No sh*t...that's the point. You can't be the best at one if you learn both...but really, for survival and for fun, it's better to learn both. So sorry, I'll never have a vid of my MMA fight. Actually I have plantar fascitis (sp?)...need my arch support, only full-contact venue I'll probably ever be able to enter is boxing...probably won't...does that really prove anything?

knifefighter wasn't ever a knifefighter. he's a blowhard with a short guy complex

[faxiapreta]

That's all the majority of tcma folks on here want...Could you imagine one in depth thread about TCMA where that's all it was? No mma folks butting in with their insults, prove-its, placebos, youtubes, etc.? Only in our dreams my friend, only in our dreams.

That's easy. Simply don't bring up MMA. Of course that never happens because the TCMA crowd can't seem to not bring it up. Of course, after they bring it up and show their wrong assumption, they have to complain when the MMA crowd tries to explain that they really don't know what they are talking about.

[goju]

also...I know you don't want to admit it, but the ring is not the street.
An ma who spends all his time training for the ring will beat the ma who only spends part of his time training for the ring...in the ring.

But the techniques you work in the ring are high percentage regardless of where you are using them for one and two your training them against guys who are highly skilled.Youre assuming the ring fighter wont be able to adapt to these situations.

I think they have a far better chance to do it than someone whos doing his deadly techniques in the air and doing all these unrealistic scenarios that are so far removed from the reality of street fighting.


I spend my time training in a ring style fashion and haven't seen it negatively affect me when ive had to defend myself in a f street ight.


If anything the fact that i grew up in a bad neighbour hood taught me the most as far as street confrontations go.I learned how to be savvy and avoid trouble since trouble was always around.Going to a kwoon and working on these "street drills" wasn't going to do a **** thing for me.

[ShaolinDan]

You people continue to amaze me. Some of you are so smart and serious, SJ, G, yet you continue to pretend to who? that you can use the same techniques against a guy with a knife as you can in a sportfight...If you are in a sport fight, absorbing blows while moving in to finish works...absorbing knives is more difficult...this means you change your guard and blocking methods... (If you believe Knifefighter, standing joint locks suddenly become effective too) Grappling changes drastically when a knife's involved... Psychological situation changes drastically too...

There are lots of skills to learn...everybody has their own path. some are specialists, others prefer to be inter-disciplinary...we can all learn from/assist each other.

The whole notion that kung fu practitioners spend all their training time doing strikes in the air is fallacious, which, when recognized, makes this whole endless and stupid debate an entirely moot point.

[goju]

I believe frost was the one who brought up a well regarded grappler whos knife defense was based on clinching and smothering( in other words what you learn in ring training gee! )


If we want to claim standing joint locks work again a grappling competitor has those too

Thats the whole issue YOU are not getting it you make it seem like shifting from the ring to street fighting is such an difficult task for these guys.


Further it always involves the highest risk situation in the street scenario.Apparently all the time you get in a street fight the guy attacking you is brock lesnar and hes armed with a katana.


Where are these drills and techniques that we that they are missing or would benefit from? There should be videos of them being demonstrated and in live environment too since you can test this safely with rubber knifes and guns

[Lucas]

all kungfu guys do is attack the air...

its an elaborately laid plan, put into implimentation many years ago, following on aspect of the art of war, we make ourselves appear to be weak and frail in the attempt to discount ourselves in the eyes and minds of our adversaries. As such we are able to appreciate the slight edge we may be able to entertain due to the fact our opponent has us underestimated.

oh wait, nevermind....im bull$hitting u

[ShaolinDan]

Thats the whole issue YOU are not getting it you make it seem like shifting from the ring to street fighting is such an difficult task for these guys.

see that's the joke... all I've done is say that MMA is good and useful, but that while TCMA can benefit from MMA, they are not the same. That's all I've ever said and yet over and over I keep hearing responses to my comments on how TCMA is superior to MMA.

"You People" are so eager to find an argument, that you can't even read what's in front of you. And if I wasn't drinking tonight, I'd ignore you all...but this is my friday night(ah the life of a breakfast cook!). Anyway...you might be smart, but you can't read properly, because of your attachments...Sun Tzu would not approve.

[goju]

Because you're passive aggressively starting an argument.Some of you have a chip on your shoulder over MMA and construct this paranoid delusion that ends up turning into this us against them attitude even though you try to bang on how youre not doing it

Of course ring fighting isnt street fighting but ring fighters are the best prepared to handle themselves outside of the ring out of all martial artists

[Lucas]

Because you're passive aggressively starting an argument.Some of you have a chip on your shoulder over MMA and construct this paranoid delusion that ends up turning into this us against them attitude even though you try to bang on how youre not doing it

Of course ring fighting isnt street fighting but ring fighters are the best prepared to handle themselves outside of the ring out of all martial artists

unless its a gambling den with 3 armed men weilding handguns

sorry couldnt helmp myself bu ti would ahve survived that incident.

[ShaolinDan]

Hahahaha!!!