I believe the old man who taught Robert Chu and David Bond Chan the Flying Dragon Pole, had a system he taught which he simply referred to as cum-la, which was made up of san-sik. No forms.
One of my teachers, Chao Hung (Cao Xiong) is a bonesetter, and his personal art he refers to as dim yuet cum-la. Sort of like the dark side of his medical skills.
I suppose you can say Wally Jay's small circle jiujutsu would be a stand alone chin na art.
"My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
Gwok-Si, Gwok-Faht"
"I will not be part of the generation
that killed Kung-Fu."
....step.
My instructor sort of has a similar thing. His knowledge of Chin Na is so extensive that he could teach it as a stand alone. I can't be certain, but I believe that his instructor offered it as a stand alone to some students. The way that my instructor does it though is that he has a core cirriculum and you can get additional certifications after that. Chin Na being one.
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Stang up Chin Na is easy to learn but hard to use. There are only about 40 moves. Anybody can learn all the Chin Na skill in about 2 hours. Yang Jwing Ming's Chin Na book came from the longfist system. In longfist system, there is a 2 men Chin Na Dui Da form.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4LVjwPGhQg
I think the eagle claw system has much more detail Chin Na skill. such as:
If you
- press down, I raise my elbow.
- raise your elbow, I cut horizontally.
- cut horizontally, I turn.
- turn, I pull ...
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passing 3 guards
guo san guan
the wrist, the elbow and the shoulder
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Practiceing chin na will not get you the ability to apply chin na. Chin na can be applied to anything once you can master the point.
chin na is not stand alone. It is not a grappling oriented base either.
Originally posted by BawangOriginally posted by Bawangi had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.
do you wish to argue my point or just throw random derogatory comments out there?You are stand alone.
Because no one wants to talk with you.
Originally posted by BawangOriginally posted by Bawangi had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.
chin na are sets of techniques
if you set up for throw
it is chin shuai
if you set up for hitting/punches/kicks
it is chin da
if you set up for seizing and control
it is chin na
na by itself is another set of techniques
na fa is na methods
and yes they exist in all styles of CMA
the Taiwan police manual on chin na is quite practical
most of the materials were written by han qin tan
for taiwan police academy and now police university
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wrestling has no particular origin.
It exists in all cultures since time immemorial.
there is not much new under the sun.
the players change, that's all.
Kung Fu is good for you.
Chin Na is just like the throw, you have to train in pairs. If you apply one lock and your opponent resists, you borrow your opponent's resistence force and lock him in the opposite direction. It's the same as the pull before the push. When you apply Chin Na, if you also apply your leg skill, you can combine lock and throw into one, the result will be much better.