Wrestling Roots

[lkfmdc]

What about the White Crane Chin NA? I accept that you might have been around and what but you were probably not investigating Chin na specifically, correct? I am not saying that I know for sure because it isn't important for me to be sure. I know of some people discussing having specifically Chin Na instructors.

white crane is not a "chin na style"

All styles have chin na... having it doesn't make it a "chin na style"

It doesnt exist and if you don't care, why insist it does?

[HumbleWCGuy]

Are you referring to Yang Jwing Ming's books? Those are illustrations of part of the white crane system, not taught separately.

I have seen a book or two written about chin na exclusively. It's a worthwhile aspect of training but, frankly, it doesn't work without the other three aspects.

Not specifically.

[HumbleWCGuy]

All styles have chin na... having it doesn't make it a "chin na style"

A fact that I am well aware of.

It doesnt exist and if you don't care, why insist it does?

I can't concede that I might be mistaken and insist at the same time. Since I conceded that my assumption might be in error, I could not simultaneously insist. The idea was to get you to elaborate.

[TenTigers]

I believe the old man who taught Robert Chu and David Bond Chan the Flying Dragon Pole, had a system he taught which he simply referred to as cum-la, which was made up of san-sik. No forms.
One of my teachers, Chao Hung (Cao Xiong) is a bonesetter, and his personal art he refers to as dim yuet cum-la. Sort of like the dark side of his medical skills.
I suppose you can say Wally Jay's small circle jiujutsu would be a stand alone chin na art.

[HumbleWCGuy]

I believe the old man who taught Robert Chu and David Bond Chan the Flying Dragon Pole, had a system he taught which he simply referred to as cum-la, which was made up of san-sik. No forms.
One of my teachers, Chao Hung (Cao Xiong) is a bonesetter, and his personal art he refers to as dim yuet cum-la. Sort of like the dark side of his medical skills.
I suppose you can say Wally Jay's small circle jiujutsu would be a stand alone chin na art.

My instructor sort of has a similar thing. His knowledge of Chin Na is so extensive that he could teach it as a stand alone. I can't be certain, but I believe that his instructor offered it as a stand alone to some students. The way that my instructor does it though is that he has a core cirriculum and you can get additional certifications after that. Chin Na being one.

[YouKnowWho]

What about the White Crane Chin NA?

Stang up Chin Na is easy to learn but hard to use. There are only about 40 moves. Anybody can learn all the Chin Na skill in about 2 hours. Yang Jwing Ming's Chin Na book came from the longfist system. In longfist system, there is a 2 men Chin Na Dui Da form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4LVjwPGhQg

I think the eagle claw system has much more detail Chin Na skill. such as:

If you

- press down, I raise my elbow.
- raise your elbow, I cut horizontally.
- cut horizontally, I turn.
- turn, I pull ...

[SPJ]

passing 3 guards

guo san guan

the wrist, the elbow and the shoulder

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[YiQuanOne]

Practiceing chin na will not get you the ability to apply chin na. Chin na can be applied to anything once you can master the point.

[Dragonzbane76]

chin na is not stand alone. It is not a grappling oriented base either.

[瓜娃子]

chin na is not stand alone. It is not a grappling oriented base either.

You are stand alone.

Because no one wants to talk with you.

[Dragonzbane76]

You are stand alone.

Because no one wants to talk with you.

do you wish to argue my point or just throw random derogatory comments out there?

[SPJ]

chin na are sets of techniques

if you set up for throw

it is chin shuai

if you set up for hitting/punches/kicks

it is chin da

if you set up for seizing and control

it is chin na

na by itself is another set of techniques

na fa is na methods

and yes they exist in all styles of CMA

the Taiwan police manual on chin na is quite practical

most of the materials were written by han qin tan

for taiwan police academy and now police university

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[David Jamieson]

wrestling has no particular origin.
It exists in all cultures since time immemorial.

there is not much new under the sun.
the players change, that's all.

[YouKnowWho]

chin na are sets of techniques

if you set up for throw

it is chin shuai

Chin Na is just like the throw, you have to train in pairs. If you apply one lock and your opponent resists, you borrow your opponent's resistence force and lock him in the opposite direction. It's the same as the pull before the push. When you apply Chin Na, if you also apply your leg skill, you can combine lock and throw into one, the result will be much better.

[faxiapreta]

Chin Na is just like the throw, you have to train in pairs. If you apply one lock and your opponent resists, you borrow your opponent's resistence force and lock him in the opposite direction. It's the same as the pull before the push. When you apply Chin Na, if you also apply your leg skill, you can combine lock and throw into one, the result will be much better.

Standing locks don't work, other than the occasional lock that is either accidental or incidental to what does work- positioning and throws.