Originally Posted by SimonM
I keep saying I dont know it all. thus, I know my ignorant.
However, what I know I said it with specific and details.
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I keep saying I dont know it all. thus, I know my ignorant.
However, what I know I said it with specific and details.
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What I am saying is I am a Wing Chun guy, some days I might have to fight a Yiquan guy, and I dont do assumption. I have to know their big guns, what to touch what not to touch.
bad mouthing with a clueless brain is just plain stupid to get one's as$ kick.
I am not even a Yiquan guy, I am a Wing Chun guy.
Last edited by Hendrik; 07-06-2011 at 12:02 PM.
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To me power generation is "compress" and "release". The more compression that you have, the power power that you can generate. Since the more compression that you have, the more time it will take. This cause a conflict between power and speed. The day that you have realized that if you have power, you will have to sacrifice speed (or the other way around), you will lose interest in seaching for maximum power and maximum speed.
In the following clip, you can see good Fajin there. Can you see how long it take to generate that power? Is that combat realistic at all?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxxebP0u31g
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the real deal is could you using modern physics to identify how many different type of momenentum generation mechanics exist in Yiquan's standing stake while practice the hun yun lik?
How many is Xing Yi's San Ti Shi? how many in a boxer's punch? how many in an mmA's take down.....etc?
The whole argument would be null in void, and you would be the winner if you would just explain how modern physics explains the many different types of momentum generated during standing on stake. Why havent you?
Using physics, can you explain how does Yiquan develop acceleration? How does Yiquan develop power? How does Yiquan develop momentum trajectory? How does Yiquan intercept, or not intercept? If it would help you can pick an application and explain. Then the doubters will have nothing to doubt. Why are you making it so difficult?sure.Using physics, can you explain how does Yiquan develop acceleration?
How does Yiquan develop power?
sure.
sure
How does Yiquan develop momentum trajectory?
sure.
How does Yiquan intercept, or not intercept?
If it would help you can pick an application and explain. Then the doubters will have nothing to doubt.
Why are you making it so difficult?
no one care if the doubters doubt, that is not my problem.
I dont make it difficult it is they dont have the basic and I am not their sifu who is responsible to teach them these basic stuffs.
and, if one doesnt know these basic stuffs, one cant even do a proper strike, not to mention having "fun" in high speed match.
without these basic, one is hopeless. martial art core is all about momentum generation and handling. those are the basic of the basic.
Talk is cheap. reason is cheap. now I have mention the 4 basic I am expecting those experts here to explain what these are. and I am waiting since I have open the communication in physics. there is nothing mysterious. one can communicate with physics. provided one knows what is it.
Last edited by Hendrik; 07-06-2011 at 11:55 AM.
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compress/ release is just one out of the four mechanics so that is not the full story.
he is just doing demo on activating ALL the basic mechanics elements slowly to show his students.
if you fight him, when he uses different combination of the basic mechanics as needed that is a different story.
if you cant identify the 4 basic I have mention in the clip and know how he handle it. then you dont know fajing.
Last edited by Hendrik; 07-06-2011 at 12:03 PM.
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That is like saying an ice skater cannot spin faster by pulling their arms in closer to their body, unless they know the details of centrifugal and cetripital force, except they can and DO every single day they skate! Knowing the principles of your 4 secret words will not help one develop power, just as knowing the principles of centrifugal and centripital force won't help a skater spin faster. You spin faster by practicing the movement, NOT by studying the secret principles that one can only learn from a Hendrik approved Master!
Wrong again! What is it like being wrong all the time!
You don't need a Henrik approved transmission in order to learn efficient power generation!
It takes practice!
Yeah, you say it, but then act like you do know it all!
AND you DO NOT say it with any details! You use vague references and generalizations providing to no useful information to the reader, not to mention your repeated use of contradictory statements!
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Is this a good example of Yiquan Fajing?
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get a sifu with proper transmission, and experience it via his coaching yourself. that way, there is no guessing and thinking. it is what it is. and you know it.
It is like asking what is a good example of having sex? one can watch all the porn movie but it is never what it is.
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Yeah, get a good coach with good lineage to show you sex so you can have proper emission!
I know a good d!ckhead you could ask!
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If you say sung means nothing, then you do not understand how to use it. If you are tense, your reaction time is slower. Even if its slower by a milisecond, the other person will arive first. To test this put your arm against someone like in a single hand push hands position. It works better if thier faster than you, and thier not as sung. Without warning, try to bring your hand down in a circle motion and touch your opponents belly. If you are tense they will be able to feel it and follow you, or block and strike. If you are sung, they wont notice you moved your hand until you've already connected.
You say that words mean nothing, this is true. But were on an internet forum. If we cant explain what were doing in words, then no one will learn anything.
Power comes from body structure. In the style I learned, we first, have proper, low stances, to develop the legs, then we go higher. we SINK so anything coming in can be redirected to earth. If you want me to elaborate I can suggest a couple training exercise. we use full body movement, so when the striking surface arrives, our whole body arrives. Power comes from the ground, to the waist, out to the striking surface. waist generates power, and dantien generates power. We also expand and contract, but any Chen Taijiquan stylist knows, you do not have to contract much to generate great power. Elusive power for Qinna defense also comes from simple body mechanics. Speed we train by being sung. For more "external" strikes, we tense only at the point of impact. we strike vital points so a lot of power is not needed, but we train so every motion is backed by our bodies and by earth. our fajing is a whip like motion, using what people are now calling "short Jin". Our long jin is short jin with larger movements, knowledge of the opponents weaknesses, stepping through, and more Yi. Qi plays into the equation but I wont discuss that since its highly doubted here, as its not necessary to hurt someone. Anyone have any questions I dont mind elaborating, after Friday I wont be on here for a while though. Back to my regular schedule and more training
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Just my opinion, and I can be wrong.
If you say sung means nothing, then you do not understand how to use it. If you are tense, your reaction time is slower.
Even if its slower by a milisecond, the other person will arive first. To test this put your arm against someone like in a single hand push hands position. It works better if thier faster than you, and thier not as sung.
Without warning, try to bring your hand down in a circle motion and touch your opponents belly.
If you are tense they will be able to feel it and follow you, or block and strike. If you are sung, they wont notice you moved your hand until you've already connected.
Those are just beginner level stuffs, as the chinese said, not even enter the hall.
there are more levels above what you are saying, until one reaches there, what you mention is good for demo...etc. but it really doesnt do much.
You say that words mean nothing, this is true. But were on an internet forum. If we cant explain what were doing in words, then no one will learn anything.
Sung has the level of loose as everyone can do as you describe above.
then the practice reach to the level of 一羽不能加 or one feather not add or levitate.
then the practice further into the level of 忘身 or Forget the body
So, Sung as you describe is doing not much at all in the cultivation. very low level.
only after entering the level of levitate, one start to practice the multi-dimensional force vectors handling and lead to dong Jing or knowing the jing.
Power comes from body structure.
power doesnt comes from body structure.
In physics, power is the rate at which work is performed or energy is converted.
In the style I learned, we first, have proper, low stances, to develop the legs, then we go higher. we SINK so anything coming in can be redirected to earth. If you want me to elaborate I can suggest a couple training exercise. we use full body movement, so when the striking surface arrives, our whole body arrives.
Power comes from the ground, to the waist, out to the striking surface. waist generates power, and dantien generates power. We also expand and contract,
This above just show you are not in the Dong Jing level yet and doing the same with the external art people.
So, unless you get to the level of levitate, you will not know what it is like. no one can teach you that but it is a journey you have to walk yourself. for those who has been there it is simple and clear otherwise it totally doesnt make sense. we all go through that.
as for the 4 basic mechancis if the body doesnt aware of how to do that individually then the body doesnt really know what to do. so, transforming the body is a big part. and the ancient did that in Standing stake. it is not sung, sung is just the begining of the begining.
the sung before the level of levitation has not much use.
Last edited by Hendrik; 07-06-2011 at 12:56 PM.
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If your instructor is good , how come you know so little?.
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Those are just beginner level stuffs, as the chinese said, not even enter the hall.
there are more levels above what you are saying, until one reaches there, what you mention is good for demo...etc. but it really doesnt do much
Correct, beginner level stuff, hence why I share it, because someone trying it for the first time is a beginner, BUT it does do much when you learn to apply it. 1. you can slip through the opponents defenses undetected, you can feel thier movements more easily, and stick and follow easier, plus you will be faster than someone who is tense. If you dont see the value in that then what you learned isnt for combat.
Sung has the level of loose as everyone can do as you describe above.
then the practice reach to the level of 一羽不能加 or one feather not add or levitate.
then the practice further into the level of 忘身 or Forget the body
So, Sung as you describe is doing not much at all in the cultivation. very low level.
only after entering the level of levitate, one start to practice the multi-dimensional force vectors handling and lead to dong Jing or knowing the jing.
I agree about the levels of sung. I agree I need to be more sung. BUT as far as multi dimensional force vectors are a mechanism of the body, so they can be explained. Unless your just saying its qi. then its not a mechanism of the body but something more. My understanding of dong jing is understanding jing, not meaning to understand jing, but to understand your opponent. You can train that simply by watching dust fly as you sweep a room. its ability to understand your opponent. first its in push hands, then its without contact, then its knowing what your opponent is doing before they do it. I have some understanding jing, just havent mastered it yet.
power doesnt comes from body structure.
In physics, power is the rate at which work is performed or energy is converted.
This above just show you are not in the Dong Jing level yet and doing the same with the external art people.
If you do not have body structure. you can be easily pushed over. I hope your not serious about that.
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It depends who was throwing you around, if external guy throwing you around, sure more practice you learn how to counter.Why do you presume we haven't? I have been thrown around, long enough to figure out the biomechanics and to make it so I cannot be thrown around any longer, unless I allow it!
Therefore I MUST have Anti-Qi!
Kind of like Anti-Matter, ONLY BETTER!
If internal guy throwing you around more practice will not create counter.
So from what you are saying it sounds like external guys throwing practice.
Last edited by YiQuanOne; 07-06-2011 at 12:57 PM. Reason: spell
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2 things
1. power generation, if not careful, you hurt yourself first, you rotate your waist too hard, you hurt your spine. you inhale or exhale too hard, you burst capillary in your lung, or nose bleed--
2. theory of hun yuan
a. xing yi has spirally forward, upward etc. it is not really unidirectional. but generally one direction
b, hun would be mixing of all the general directionals
c. yuan is circle or ball like
go ahead and have fun of discussing hun and yuan
but in practice
they are not necessarily stronger or more powerful.
the spiralling effect is more destructive or drilling instead of linear or piston like forward and backward only
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carry on.
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