is this facts?

[YouKnowWho]

if you want to talk war, I dont know. but if you want to talk Chinese Internal art then that is how it is as it is.

TCMA (include ICMA and ECMA) = combat = war.

When you are facing your opponent, if you want to move to your left (or right), which leg to move first depends on how far and what angle that your opponent are in front of you. How can you make a move without "intention"?

[SimonM]

TCMA (include ICMA and ECMA) = combat = war.

Yes, thank you.

Which brings us full circle - if you want to be combat effective you have to be capable physically and psychologically of combat.

[Hendrik]

TCMA (include ICMA and ECMA) = combat = war.

that is you and fine with me.

But you dont represent Chinese tradition and you dont do Chinese Internal Martial art.



could some one translate the following general examples


郭云深讲的：拳无拳，意无意，无意之中是真意。

董海川睡着觉，徒弟要给他盖衣服。衣服一下去，人却不见了，回头老师已经坐在椅子上了。


李钟轩老先生说:练形意的人在掉下悬崖时，接近地面了，双手会击向绝壁，使身体改变方向，从而 避免受伤。


以上例子都说明，武功到了高深的境界，一遇危险，来不及思考，身体会做出反应。



Since I am not these people above, ask them are can they fight.

[YouKnowWho]

you dont do Chinese Internal Martial art.郭云深 ...董海川...李钟轩...

I started my Taiji training when I was 7 years old. Yes! I don't do Chinese Internal Martial art that "walk above the cloud".

Sorry that I don't believe in fairy tales. Have you heard about the story of 柳森严? My teacher had seen his demo.

[Hendrik]

I started my Taiji training when I was 7 years old. Yes! I don't do your kind of Chinese Internal Martial art and that's for sure. Soory that I don't believe in fairy tales.

Kou Yin Shen speak on Xing Yi by Sun Lu-Dang


郭云深讲

Kou Yin Shen said

拳无拳，意无意，无拳无意是真意

martial art is no longer martial art, intention is no longer intention, No martial art no intention is the true intention.



http://www.360doc.com/content/11/051...16815091.shtml


So that is the Xing Yi tranditional proper transmission like it or not.
and since we talk about Xing Yi and Yiquan here. so need to follow what is the proper transmission to present what it is instead of other view.

[YouKnowWho]

郭云深讲

Kou Yin Shen said

拳无拳，意无意，无拳无意是真意

martial art is no longer martial art, intention is no longer intention, No martial art no intention is the true intention.

As far as 郭云深, here is some statement from one of his students.

- My teacher's teacher could spit out a sword from his mouth and kill his enemy 1000 miles away (excellent skill).
- My teacher could spit out a sword from his mouth and kill his enemy 100 feet away (get worse).
- I can spit out a nuts and hit on a tree 10 feet away (get even worse). Since my high blood pressure, I no longer be able to do that (refuse to prove it).

I just can't believe that this is the kind of fairy tales that you believe in.

[SPJ]

I'm sorry to say that this kind of thinking will bring TCMA all the way down to hell. Combat is to

- plan ahead of time.
- hide your preparation without letting your opponent know.
- set your oponent up.
- bring your opponent into your trap.
- use your strength to against your opponent's weakness.
- use your opponent's leading arm to jam his back arm.
- give your opponent as little choices as possible.
- ...

How can you say that "no intention is the true intention"?

When GWB attacked Iraq, did GWB have "intention"?

a lot of good ideas brought up in this thread, but they got all tangled up.

there are these debats since time immemorial (can not be remembered, or long and long time ago).

1. observe first, let the opponent start, we follow and respond/counter. we passively respond. (tai Ji)

2. we fight our way, and let the opponent go into our trap, we actively guide the fight. (mantis, tong bei---)

both are correct.

3. hard power but lost speed. one strike is enough for KO. (ba ji)

4. rapid speed but less power. strike after strike till the opponent's out. (tong bei)

but are correct.

5 internal is very important but only if you have a good external base first.

6 there is limit to external training, there is no limit in internal training

both are correct.

---

carry on.

[SimonM]

So that is the Xing Yi tranditional proper transmission like it or not.

More pedantic posturing. I'm beginning to wonder if you even realize that your posts read that way.

[YouKnowWho]

and since we talk about Xing Yi ...

First you said, "you don't do Chinese Internal Martial art". Now you talk about XingYi. Sorry that I only started my XingYi when I was 15 years old. I assume I'm not qualified to discuss the XingYi system. By the way I also train Bagua (only 8 palms) as well.

[YouKnowWho]

a lot of good ideas brought up in this thread, but they got all tangled up.

Any discussion will be more fun than just "internal power generation".

[SPJ]

YKW is one generation ahead of me.

when he was in high school and shuai jiao

I was like still in open pants or kai dang gu.

so when he said something I listen.



xing yi is like a big truck or tank, you keep going and going

it is like in your face and still going.

tai ji is like circling and circling, retreat and back/forward

ba gua is like walking in a serpentine (snake) path.

they all have both external and internal aspect of training.

standing stake is only part of it and not all of it.

ba gua has holding a heavy metal ball.

tai ji has lifting heavy weight, too.

xing yi has heavy punch or striking, too.

--

end of rants.

[Hendrik]

As far as 郭云深, here is some statement from one of his students.

- My teacher's teacher could spit out a sword from his mouth and kill his enemy 1000 miles away.
- My teacher could spit out a sword from his mouth and kill his enemy 100 feet away (get worse).
- I can spit out a nuts and hit on a tree 10 feet away (get even worse). Since my high blood pressure, I no longer be able to do that (refuse to prove it).

I just can't believe that this is the kind of fairy tales that you believe in.

you know,

拳无拳，意无意，无拳无意是真意

martial art is no longer martial art, intention is no longer intention, No martial art no intention is the true intention.

in its basic level
just means be spontaneous in mind and body no predetermination

what is the big deal?

why is such a big deal to keep step on TCMA tradition and Xing Yi's ancestor Kou Yin Shen?

[Hendrik]

First you said, "you don't do Chinese Internal Martial art". Now you talk about XingYi. Sorry that I only started my XingYi when I was 15 years old. I assume I'm not qualified to discuss the XingYi system. By the way I also train Bagua (only 8 palms) as well.

when we talk about Xing Yi, dont we have to based on the facts from the Xing Yi ancestors?

if the discussion is center in oneself that is misleading and also lots of ego.

[Scott R. Brown]

when we talk about Xing Yi, dont we have to based on the facts from the Xing Yi ancestors?

if the discussion is center in oneself that is misleading and also lots of ego.

If you are so concerned about ego, why do you not attend to your own?

[YouKnowWho]

why is such a big deal to keep step on TCMA tradition and Xing Yi's ancestor Kou Yin Shen?

Because those statement will lead TCMA futher away from the "combat reality".

As far as Kou Yin Shen, I just quoted what his student's wrote in one issue of the 新武侠 magazine (from HK).