Nice Chinna Vid

[lkfmdc]

not a chin na video (it says 'push hands' in Chinese) and most of it has nothing to do with any sort of joint lock?

[SPJ]

2 points

1. use straightness to over come horizontal methods and vice versa

zhi po heng, or heng po zhi.

if the opponent pushes your shoulder (straight, zhi), you bend his wrist (horizontal, heng)

2. use circles to harmonize/neutralize between straightness and horizontal methods.

circling downward, circling upward

so we cover everything

forward/backward (straight)

to the left and to the right (horizontal)

upward and downward (circling)

we remain contact or stick and link

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[MightyB]

Good drill and the right way to go about training chin na with push hands. Plus a healthy blend of strikes.

to give you TCMA haters some perspective - this is a chin na / push hands equivalent of grip fighting training... and IMO this is a better way to train for real chin na - gripping, pulling, with motion added for fluidity.

[lkfmdc]

still don't see much "chin na" here? it's all pushing ie pummeling

[ShaolinDan]

still don't see much "chin na" here? it's all pushing ie pummeling

You either aren't looking very closely, or you're looking for the wrong thing; chinna is more than just static locks.

[lkfmdc]

You either aren't looking very closely, or you're looking for the wrong thing; chinna is more than just static locks.

Do you read Chinese? It doesn't say "chin na" is says "push hands"

China Na is joint locking, not push hands
"static" or not this is pushing it is not locking joints

Maybe you are the one who is confused?

[ShaolinDan]

Wow, dude. I don't read Chinese, but I can see it's push hands-ish. I can also see chinna being used in just about every single technique.
Guess we were taught differently what chinna means...far as I know it doesn't mean 'lock' at all.

[SimonM]

not a chin na video (it says 'push hands' in Chinese) and most of it has nothing to do with any sort of joint lock?

I was about to say the same thing.

But also, as with a lot of the stuff coming out of YiquanOne the demonstrator here has major issues with elbow positioning. The way he splays his elbows out like that he's just begging for a good grappler to take complete control of one of his arms, probably transition to back control.

[lkfmdc]

But also, as with a lot of the stuff coming out of YiquanOne the demonstrator here has major issues with elbow positioning. The way he splays his elbows out like that he's just begging for a good grappler to take complete control of one of his arms, probably transition to back control.

he is basically pummeling for bicept control ("steering wheel") which is pretty darn unique for most TCMA clips, but he doesn't "keep the box" and anyone with a bit of wrestling could easily control him due to his lack of elbow control

a clip or two to be more clear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjhdayWgXWo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT5Ohe93Ep4