Ending a fight by attacking vital parts

[Cdr.Instigator]

Is it possible to disable a fight by attacking vital parts with precise pin point accuracy.

Keeping in mind that your opponent is constantly moving like a boxer, could you attack the wrists with Dragon Fists with pinpoint accuracy? I would think that after 3 or 4 hits to said vital parts, it could be detrimental and painful to the opponent and give up the fight?

Just wondering if it's feasible?


Please, serious question here!!

[Frost]

Is it possible to disable a fight by attacking vital parts with precise pin point accuracy.

Keeping in mind that your opponent is constantly moving like a boxer, could you attack the wrists with Dragon Fists with pinpoint accuracy? I would think that after 3 or 4 hits to said vital parts, it could be detrimental and painful to the opponent and give up the fight?

Just wondering if it's feasible?


Please, serious question here!!

no its not

[David Jamieson]

no its not

why not? not everyone is a trained cage fighter and pain compliance comes quick with a greater portion of the population.

so, yes.

But, if you gotta ask, then for you, no. lol

[Cdr.Instigator]

Yes David, as I have no training in Kung Fu... then you are right; I would not succeed.
But, is there an actual training form that attacks such possible vulnerable areas, as the wrists?


Could you David, even with as much years of experience not try and develop such a strategy?

[Frost]

why not? not everyone is a trained cage fighter and pain compliance comes quick with a greater portion of the population.

so, yes.

But, if you gotta ask, then for you, no. lol

Why not?

Well

1) adreline does wonders for people and is a hard thing to overcome
2) its fecking hard to actually hit someone when they are hitting you, let alone hit two or 3 spots with pin point accuracy
hows that to start?
Now if you consider the ribs and the chin pressure points then I concede they work, but any of the smaller points that require multiple hits as seems to be the gist of the post….good luck

[David Jamieson]

Why not?

Well

1) adreline does wonders for people and is a hard thing to overcome
2) its fecking hard to actually hit someone when they are hitting you, let alone hit two or 3 spots with pin point accuracy
hows that to start?
Now if you consider the ribs and the chin pressure points then I concede they work, but any of the smaller points that require multiple hits as seems to be the gist of the post….good luck

If we are talking about strictly attacking the wrists. I believe that is folly to attempt to hit at someones wrists who is boxing you.

The strikes at the wrist in kung fu styles tend to be for when someone has grabbed your sleeve or something.

Anyway, why hit the wrists? Hit the face, hunt the head. that's where you're gonna be effective in a fight.

[Frost]

If we are talking about strictly attacking the wrists. I believe that is folly to attempt to hit at someones wrists who is boxing you.

The strikes at the wrist in kung fu styles tend to be for when someone has grabbed your sleeve or something.

Anyway, why hit the wrists? Hit the face, hunt the head. that's where you're gonna be effective in a fight.

no arguement from me but the original quote said "Keeping in mind that your opponent is constantly moving like a boxer, could you attack the wrists with Dragon Fists with pinpoint accuracy? I would think that after 3 or 4 hits to said vital parts, it could be detrimental and painful to the opponent and give up the fight?

Just wondering if it's feasible?


Please, serious question here!!"

personally hitting wrists, arms, specific points on the body unless gross large targets is a waste of time, sounds like we agree

[Cdr.Instigator]

Well the fighter's instincts to counter a hook to the head is to block it with your arm or hand... therefore it would seem feasible to hit wrist as a counter to the attack.

1) Opponent throws a right hook to head
2) You either block with left hand or arm, same goes for a left hook to head you block with same technique


How is it not feasible to use your opponents swing momentum and power to instead of blocking, hit the wrist area with a Dragon Style fist and put some hurt to that weak area?


Possibly ending the fight with a painful wrist fracture?

[SPJ]

Is it possible to disable a fight by attacking vital parts with precise pin point accuracy.

Keeping in mind that your opponent is constantly moving like a boxer, could you attack the wrists with Dragon Fists with pinpoint accuracy? I would think that after 3 or 4 hits to said vital parts, it could be detrimental and painful to the opponent and give up the fight?

Just wondering if it's feasible?


Please, serious question here!!

no. not in a fat chance. you have to pass his 3 guards

the hand/wrist

the elbow

the shoulder

since your hands are busy dealing with 3 guards of his hands

you may temporarily have an opening and use one of your free hands to deliver the strike.

good luck.

that is.

[Cdr.Instigator]

With the correct distance to entice a blow from opponent and stepping back at the moment of His swing to counter his swing with a nice placed Dragon Fist to said coming swing..... why could it not work?

[KC Elbows]

With the correct distance to entice a blow from opponent and stepping back at the moment of His swing to counter his swing with a nice placed Dragon Fist to said coming swing..... why could it not work?

Define "work". Hurt? It could, but the kind of hurt that occurs this way empty handed is usually brushed off by experienced guys. Incapacitate? I don't believe so.

[TenTigers]

it can, but to have that kind of luck when a trained fighter is coming at you full tilt trying to tear your fukin head off will require Jet/Bruce coolness, bro.
I teach alot of "lethal" strikes. Fr'instance, forearm strikes to the base of the skull.
BUT-I tell them this:
"sure, a strike to the base of the skull is potentially lethal.
If your grandmother is sitting at the kitchen table sipping tea, and you come up behind her, and WHAM! slam her in the base of the skull...sure, Nana's dead.
But if she's comin at ya, shuckin an jivein, tryin to tear yer head off, you're gonna have a hard time puttin her down. Tha's all I'm sayin'."
Many pro fights go the distance. Fighters are landing mostly grazing strikes, because both are moving, and throwing. The few times that a strike lands with perfect focus, well, that's when you have a KO.
Can you land the strike? Sure..I suppose.

But, contrary to the sign on the wall over the container in the ladies room that says, "Please Dispose of Sanitary Napkins Here,"

Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

[ginosifu]

With the correct distance to entice a blow from opponent and stepping back at the moment of His swing to counter his swing with a nice placed Dragon Fist to said coming swing..... why could it not work?

This is possible.... but not likely. After your first hit to his wrist, he will probably not want to get hit anymore there and try to close the distance for grappling. No one will let you keep hitting him on the wrist.... even if you were a great skilled marksman and you hit him right on the spot, you will probably not get another chance to do it again.

Now change your thinking to grappling and now after you have hit him once (maybe) on the wrist, now engage him in grappling and start to grab at his wrist at the Nei Guan point. Nei Gaun will reduce his gripping power and cause immediate pain.

None of this will work if you are not skilled at subduing the opponent quickly. Prolonged fighting makes you tired and less likely to hit all these "Sweet Spots". Just using Dragon Fists.... Nope won't work.

ginosifu

[faxiapreta]

Now change your thinking to grappling and now after you have hit him once (maybe) on the wrist, now engage him in grappling and start to grab at his wrist at the Nei Guan point. Nei Gaun will reduce his gripping power and cause immediate pain.

I know it says in your bio that you have competitive grappling experience, but when you post b.s. like this, one sure has to wonder about that.

Either you are just making incorrect statements like that for marketing purposes to promote your business teaching something "special" or you really have very little actual grappling experience.

Talk to any competitive grappler and he will tell you that pressure points are generally b.s. unless you are talking about something like sticking your finger in someone's eye.

If you really could use wrist pressure points to "reduce his gripping power and cause immediate pain", that would be a great addition to have for 2 on 1 wrist control. Too bad it's just more bs getting served up to gullible or unknowing people.

[mooyingmantis]

Is it possible to disable a fight by attacking vital parts with precise pin point accuracy.

Just wondering if it's feasible?


Please, serious question here!!

Is it possible?
Yes, it is. I have done it several times against non-compliant street-fighters. Four times one single strike ended the fight (kick that broke ribs, kick that bruised ribs, kick to diaphragm, eye poke). Set up attacker, well placed strike, attacker couldn't/wouldn't continue fighting.

IMO, if one can't hit what you are aiming for, they are just a $hitty fighter.

Is it feasible?
It depends, do you have the skill, timing, reflexes and ball$ for fighting? Unfortunately, one can spend years in CMA, JMA, KMA, TM or MMA and never develop these qualities. Sometimes I think it is something you must be born with.

Keeping in mind that your opponent is constantly moving like a boxer...

Proper footwork is the cure for this. One of the problems in TCMA is the myth of "stances". The myth is that stances should be used STATICALLY for fighting.

For the Beginning Student
Stances are ONE training method that is great for strengthening the legs. Stances can teach proper weight distribution, power generation, etc..

For those Past Beginner Stage
Footwork should be developed that teaches the student to set the tempo, distance, timing and positioning in a fight.

...could you attack the wrists with Dragon Fists with pinpoint accuracy? I would think that after 3 or 4 hits to said vital parts, it could be detrimental and painful to the opponent and give up the fight?

I would not recommend trying to hit targets on an untrapped wrist. The opponent's hands generally move too quickly to strike small points on an untrapped wrist.

In the fights that I mentioned above, you will note that the strikes I was able to successfully land were on comparatively slower moving body areas (torso and head).

It is best to save pin point striking techniques for the slowest moving targets that will give you the most bang for the buck.