What Stands Out About TCMAists in The Ring?

[HumbleWCGuy]

Wow, 3 pages and nothing that shows "what stands out" about TCMA in the ring.
Excellent work guys !

Apologies, but frost isn't clear on exactly what TCMA entails so... Here we go again.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Apologies, but frost isn't clear on exactly what TCMA entails so... Here we go again.

Pictures and video is worth 1000 words.
I am sure you can find something to illustrate your point.

[HumbleWCGuy]

Pictures and video is worth 1000 words.
I am sure you can find something to illustrate your point.

You are probably correct. I hate running through Youtube to find stuff, but it probably is better than having to try and explain every point 50 different ways. I might have to break down and do that.

[HumbleWCGuy]

This isn't a perfect example but I think that it represents a more TCMA style front kick. Overall, I see the TCMA kick as having that whipping quality to them with some follow through and hip. It's not a pure snap so to speak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbos4-Lhkks

[Mattador]

What are some of the positive things that TCMAist do that stand out in the ring?

They get knocked out and/or avoid ring fighting which makes more room for better fighters. If a tcmaist ever fought in the UFC I would not buy that ppv.

[lkfmdc]

This isn't a perfect example but I think that it represents a more TCMA style front kick. Overall, I see the TCMA kick as having that whipping quality to them with some follow through and hip. It's not a pure snap so to speak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbos4-Lhkks

OK, now we see what you think is a good TCMA kick

[HumbleWCGuy]

They get knocked out and/or avoid ring fighting which makes more room for better fighters. If a tcmaist ever fought in the UFC I would not buy that ppv.

That's what gets said about karate yet, Bas Rutten, Andy Hug, and Machida. Now Duke Roufus's crew use stuff that is a is a fusion of MT, boxing, and traditional karate. One of the recent ultimate figher winners was a TCMA guy. I have to give that guy credit, he lacked a lot of physical gifts. Yet, there he was.

[HumbleWCGuy]

OK, now we see what you think is a good TCMA kick

There was a guy who you called a NY San Da Affilliate a while back who posted a clip of his mma fight. He delivered a punishing lead leg round to this guys gut. I thought that his kick had a tcma flavor to it. Do you recall the example?

[Frost]

OK, now we see what you think is a good TCMA kick

yep thats what i thought

[KC Elbows]

Because of a certain conservatism in tcma circles, acceptance of the ring has been slow. Currently, especially among younger sifus, interest is very strong, so most of what there will be to comment on will still be to come.

It's like arguing the proofs of the value of gloves for boxing before boxers were very accepting of them in training, much less competition.

[lkfmdc]

Because of a certain conservatism in tcma circles, acceptance of the ring has been slow.

While this appears to be true, it really must confront the other reality

There were organized competitions (with RULES) in China as far back as The 1920's

Regional, provincial, NATIONAL competitions

The "old school" wasn't afraid to get in there and mix it up, they didn't make excuses about "rules"

Within our memory all you have to look at is people like Chang Dung Sheng, Xia Bahua, Chan Tai San, Lai Hung, Tat Mau Wong, Tai Yim, Wai Lun Choi, heck the list is ENDLESS

All TCMA people who competed in organized events with rules, and had no problem doing it...

So where did this attitude about the "ring" come from?

[lkfmdc]

Lai Hung


Wai Lun Choi




South east Asian cup



Pictures from events held in NYC in the 1970's
http://www.baguanyc.com/wutangfighters.htm

[KC Elbows]

While this appears to be true, it really must confront the other reality

There were organized competitions (with RULES) in China as far back as The 1920's

Regional, provincial, NATIONAL competitions

The "old school" wasn't afraid to get in there and mix it up, they didn't make excuses about "rules"

Within our memory all you have to look at is people like Chang Dung Sheng, Xia Bahua, Chan Tai San, Lai Hung, Tat Mau Wong, Tai Yim, Wai Lun Choi, heck the list is ENDLESS

All TCMA people who competed in organized events with rules, and had no problem doing it...

So where did this attitude about the "ring" come from?

Considering that what constitutes tradition in anything changes all the time, I find it more useful focusing on useful practices toward entraining techniques and principles against competent people doing the same than worrying about historical explanations of how things changed.

That said, not all full contact rules are equal in usefulness.

[Lucas]

So where did this attitude about the "ring" come from?

from big fat useless puzzies.

[KC Elbows]

from big fat useless puzzies.

If only we had all followed Paulie Zink!