Anyone here ever eat dog?

[rett]

Patriotism is rot. It's a feeling of superiority we give ourselves simply because of where we were geographically located when born.

I doesn't have to be like that. It can be a wholesome expression of self-esteem grounded on the accomplishments of our forbears, and kept down-to-earth by our humble acknowledgement that we must work hard to live up to their example.

Countries like Canada do have a lot to be proud of. I think that is healthy.

[aussie1981]

Maybe it's the whole tribalism thing from our neanderthal past, a survival instinct????

[David Jamieson]

Maybe it's the whole tribalism thing from our neanderthal past, a survival instinct????

mmm, I don't think so. It's done today in modern large cities.
NOt a hold over from the past...we used to eat goats too and we still do.

It's mainly western cultures that don't eat dog.

Here's an odd little fact, in Paris, France Dogs may roam where they like for the most part, stray dogs etc. This is because during WW2 the people nearly wiped out the dog population in Paris by eating them.

In many parts of India they will not eat Cattle and view us as infidels and practically savage and backwards for eating cattle!

Almost everywhere else except western societies eat insects in some form as well.

We need to understand that WE are the outliers as a society, that WE are the odd ones.

I'm more proud of that than where I was born along with some empty platitudes about founding nations. There is not a lot to be proud about as far as that's concerned in my opinion. A lot of people had to die and get displaced so that 100 years later I could have my 1 acre and house with a convenience store on the corner and roads to where I want to go.

Seriously, I don't feel terrible about it, but I'm not wearing blinders to that either.
Some things aren't worth celebrating.

[bawang]

At least they didn't get black bagged and were able to vent there frustration and know they could get up and get on with there lives the next day, could you imagine iff that happened in Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union? Even modern China, North Korea or Burma?

modern china had two riots in the past 3 or 4 years which were resolved peacefully with minimum violence against chinese people.

[BJJ-Blue]

modern china had two riots in the past 3 or 4 years which were resolved peacefully with minimum violence against chinese people.

And they also imprisoned Nobel Peace Prize winner Liu Xiaobo for questioning the regime.

[David Jamieson]

And they also imprisoned Nobel Peace Prize winner Liu Xiaobo for questioning the regime.

Bradley Manning got jailed, beat up and not many have heard from him.
Remember that american citizen who questioned his government and exposed their own brand of terror they were spreading? yeah that guy.

So, each is a dissident. Neither is treated fairly. America is a better place to live than China on so many levels it is not worth addressing really, but could be done easily.

People across the states are being silenced and denied their constitutional rights AS Americans BECAUSE of the patriot act and the formation of Homeland Security which is not bound by the constitution.

I don't know if you noticed, But America is attempting to align itself with China and that will be a nightmare for America, but a boon for the average Chinese because they don't know any better.

[bawang]

And they also imprisoned Nobel Peace Prize winner Liu Xiaobo for questioning the regime.

patriots dont question their country.

one vision, one purpose. peace through power.

[Syn7]

Syn 7 - There is no nation, no people that has not pressed down upon another. Killing them, taking their land and possessions.

The biggest genocides in recent history have been carried out in Africa by Black people on other black people over tribal differences. Prior to that, Asians with Mao and his genocides.

And people still whine about Custer?

Really?

Give your head a shake. Live in the today and take a look around. there's culpability for all!

yah... ive noticed that most people use that excuse to bury their guilt... it is true, for sure, but it doesnt change anything... i see the affects every day... i see broken people in a broken and beaten culture which to a large extent has created nothing but idiots for the last few generations... we're talking like a 1% success rate... we had the luxury of having ancestors grow and cultivate their ways over a long period of time, gradually getting used to the ails of metro living... they had like three or four generations to absorb what took us 2000 years to learn and build a resistance to... just cause its common, doesnt make it a non issue...

[Syn7]

The US succeeded at and got away with the same thing Germany tried to do in the following century. Lebensraum. (or "Manifest Destiny", same thing). A bid for massive and rapid expansion built on genocide.

But it's time to move on. USA and Germany are both forces for good in the world today. And lots and lots of other countries, even what are considered colonized sufferers, did similar things in their history. Humans can be very nasty.

i disagree... they arent forces for good??? theyu do some good things, but far more bad... western culture in general is pretty pathetic for the most part...

commercialism is the next great mistake in human history... aside from population growth being outta control, its the worlds greatest threat in the history of mankind... nothing has ever caused so much harm... the benefits do not outweigh the costs here... of course it will take waaay too long for everyone to get on board with that...

[bawang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5sANHYp_IQ

CORAGE DUTY HONER

[Taixuquan99]

Industrialization requires an urbanized populace and overpopulation.

Without overpopulation, people have means to opt out of the commercial process by leaving the cities/centers, and without extra people to police all territory, they will not return. This is part of the reason that settlers in the states forbade joining the Indians, even when the tribes they were joining were not at war with the settlers. This is why the Indian wars occurred, because the native population was sheltering slaves, and thus giving an escape route to an important source of labor, as there weren't sufficient numbers of settlers to do the work themselves.

Democratic and fair modern systems provide equalized resource usage for everyone, which has tended to mean that the democratic nature of such countries is more domestic than international, and has meant that much of the peace and plenty they experience is not because of democracy at home, but favorable tyranny abroad.

The worst thing, economically, that could happen to any of the modern democratic great powers is that the entire world was populated by functioning democratic systems proposing liberal values and doing what was best for their citizens.

Overpopulation is, by its definition, unsustainable, and so industrialization in the modern sense is as well. Technological developments may have often allowed for sustaining larger populations, but the idea that that process is endless is magical thinking. Half the world is poor, and the other half benefits from this.

This is not to characterize the system or people as evil. It is an evolutionary safety on civilizations. Rome has no interest if making rival Romes, but needs allies, those allies have no interest in being allies forever, so they steal Roman ideas and add their own, each empire's citizens want payoff for the military efforts their state undertakes, for the mercantile processes their society welcomes into its ranks, for the constant effort empire takes, each leader must protect his or her position. What enriches us impoverishes us. We kill the soviets to train the islamic extremists, until the problem our solution created, at some date, has no solution that we are in a position to undertake, and new civilizations rise.

[David Jamieson]

yah... ive noticed that most people use that excuse to bury their guilt... it is true, for sure, but it doesnt change anything... i see the affects every day... i see broken people in a broken and beaten culture which to a large extent has created nothing but idiots for the last few generations... we're talking like a 1% success rate... we had the luxury of having ancestors grow and cultivate their ways over a long period of time, gradually getting used to the ails of metro living... they had like three or four generations to absorb what took us 2000 years to learn and build a resistance to... just cause its common, doesnt make it a non issue...

I think I've made it pretty clear I do not feel any guilt whatsoever about the sins of my father.

People have to lift themselves up and stop blaming their plight on others.

I don't buy the whole story you're selling. It isn't serviceable when it comes to reality in many respects. If people don't want to be urban, it is not a requirement to be so.

We, all of us each only has a single lifetime to get used to anything. That applies to all the living. Saying that someone is held back because their grandfathers didn't prepare is ludicrous in my opinion.

My grandfather grew up without cars! Then there were cars! then rockets! then computers!

I grew up without computers, or televisions in the house and then there were computers and televisions! Stuff changes, humans don't.

Stupid and lazy is sadly fitting the bill with many.
Pressed down and held back by a force not their own is a smaller part and gets dealt with daily.

If we can break these dictators and oust them and get everybody up off their asses and stop the habit of stretching out the hand and have it pick up a tool instead, I think we'd get ****her.

As i grow older, I start to fall more in line with survival of the fittest thinking.

[Taixuquan99]

Knowing how things got to be where they are is not an act of guilt, but acceptance of truth.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Eating dog? BAH !!!

Now, eating kitty, that's the stuff !!

[David Jamieson]

Eating dog? BAH !!!

Now, eating kitty, that's the stuff !!

as long as it's adult kitty and not the kind of pedobear treat that could be misconstrued as.