Shaolin diet, vegetarianism and stuff

[Hendrik]

Thats not what I said. I said the world is so complex now you have no way of knowing the complete consiquence of your actions.



Meat eating is just one of many many many bad effects we have on the world just by existing in our society. Its just one.

SO if you are vegitarian you shouldn't consider yourself superior because you don't know what other things a meat eater might do that induces good karma.

Comparing people over such a small thing is pointless.

Karma is complex since the begining of life. there are intertwin between the past and present, who can see it clear? almost none. however

The chinese said, never do any small evil even it is tiny, always do any small good even it is tiny.

because tiny things will snow balling to big deal.

There is nothing to do with superiority. it got to do with doing what it needs to walk a proper path.


Vegitarian is not a small thing, your body is what you eat.

[Hendrik]

So one is convicted of thought crime unless they repent? Sounds very Christian.

Anyway, it has been thoroughly explained how this is not a Buddhist understanding of karma. Whatever understanding you have....



Have you ever witnessed such a thing? Why would you say something like that?

Or did you mean to say "In my *world*"...?

I am curious about you.


Are you a practice Buddhist?
have you taken refuge ?
Have you take precepts?
What dharma door have you practice?
What level of samadhi have you attained?


Or you are one of those scholar who read books and argue with in their thinking mind realm like playing video games in a cyber world within the computer?

[Hendrik]

But granted that there is indeed such an intent, it is not a creation of the karma of killing, or breaking any non-harming moral. I'll explain:

Although karma is intentional action, there are certain factors that must be fulfilled in the accomplishment of karma beyond just the presence of intent. For example, for the karma of killing (or harming) to be completed there must be five requisite factors fulfilled. These are:

1) Presence of a living being
2) Knowledge of the living being
3) The intent to kill (harm)
4) The act of killing (harming)
5) The resultant death (injury)

If one of these factors is missing, the karma is not accomplished....

So, if one kill in one's dream is that consider a killing?



For me,

The above type of Thinking mind theory is dangerous and misleading because the person who postulate these taking Thinking Mind / reasoning realm is the master realm of all.
where in fact, Thinking Mind realm are just a small part of the reality and it is the based of dellusion which cause one to reincarnate over and over.

Thinking Mind is the poison which rob one's buddha nature as the Zen practice put it. Knock this Thinking Mind bondage is the first step of the practice of Zen.




Killing is Killing with or without physical. one makes an intention, one has done it. physical or non physical both are within Non dual. Thus, the Buddha teaches " do good never do bad, always clean out one's intention, that is the teaching of the Buddhas".

The above type of theory is not clean out one's intention, instead, keep playing lawyer to defend one's distorted and poisoned intention. or trying to walking in the gray zone, in fact there is no gray zone, either one intended or not?
you raise a killing intention, you have stored it. you are going to attrack killing. there is a killing consequence, unless you clean it. The Buddha nature doesnt care about killer or victim, one sets an intention of killing it is consider done. Mind is just a creating instrument, what you store in it, it manifest.

[bawang]

this is why the tang emperor purged bddhism from china and permanently crippling its influence.

its the perfect mind control device for psychological warfare, prepareing chinese people for invasion and subjugation.

i thank grandfather sky that today the chinese people are not under the poison fog of the bald donkeys. the evil tentacles of the golden fat idol cannot hurt us.

[wenshu]

physical or non physical both are within Non dual.

Ummmmm . . .

[Hendrik]

Ummmmm . . .

So, is a karmic offended in your dream a karmic offend?

[Scott R. Brown]

Even the Shaolin fighting monks ate meat because they understood that eating meat was necessary in order to make them stronger and better fighters!


Read: The Shaolin Monastery: History, Religion, and the Chinese Martial Arts, by Meir Shahar

[Hendrik]

Even the Shaolin fighting monks at meat because they understood that eating meat was necessary in order to make them stronger and better fighters!


Read: The Shaolin Monastery: History, Religion, and the Chinese Martial Arts, by Meir Shahar

you rather believe Shahar who is a book reader and writting book then ChanWuYi practitoners who live in Shao lin teaching for generations?

[Hendrik]

Do you know why Chan is the first only Wu comes later?

Because if Chan is not first all these monks has already violating their Precept of Not Killing. Chan is clearing out the Killing or hurting or damaging intention when they practice martial art.


Every intention count, even worst, if one makes an intention and then forget about it, that means that intention get kick into the background and still running that become the subsconcious. Unless one has the samadhi to sort these background running programs one is always sleep with lots of "time bombs".


A good thing about not eating meat is to help one to easier notice these "time bombs" before they are triggle.


one can argue how it is killing karma or not killing karma..... all the logic all the intellectual.....etc. all sounds excellent.

but wait a minute, those type of activity doesnt even know what is a "time bomb" , "time bomb" embeded, remove of "time bomb".

So, what good is all these intellectual speculation and theory which in fact cant do a thing in the real life.

One needs samadhi, to get to samadhi one needs to take every possible cleaning one could, and then one sees the time bomb. and then one can do something with the time bombs. Without these type of capability, there is no point to be a buddhist because there is no way out.

[Scott R. Brown]

you rather believe Shahar who is a book reader and writting book then ChanWuYi practitoners who live in Shao lin teaching for generations?

What I would rather do is believe ANYONE, but you!

For your information there is also a looooong history of violence among so called Buddhists monks as well!

But go ahead and live in your spinning, robot, rainbow, unicorn world!

I understand its your happy place!

[Scott R. Brown]

Do you know why Chan is the first only Wu comes later?

Because if Chan is not first all these monks has already violating their Precept of Not Killing. Chan is clearing out the Killing or hurting or damaging intention when they practice martial art.


Every intention count, even worst, if one makes an intention and then forget about it, that means that intention get kick into the background and still running that become the subsconcious. Unless one has the samadhi to sort these background running programs one is always sleep with lots of "time bombs".

Hmmmm, you are behind the times. I already posted this! But in a much simpler form. Try to keep up!

[pazman]

Hedrik believes in levitation, his argument is invalid.

[Lucas]

Even the Shaolin fighting monks ate meat because they understood that eating meat was necessary in order to make them stronger and better fighters!


Read: The Shaolin Monastery: History, Religion, and the Chinese Martial Arts, by Meir Shahar

Almost all warriors in all time will devour meat. Generally it is a necessity, especially in the past when on long campaigns, vegiterianism simply would not be feasable under these conditions. In the case of the Shaolin warrior monks, the offset of the moral implications would be the position of 'good' deeds that the monks find themselves in the order of performing. Saving the emperor and all that wonderful business, protecting the temple, and the monks living in. It, at that point, becomes a 'necessary evil'.

[wenshu]

this is why the tang emperor purged bddhism from china and permanently crippling its influence.

its the perfect mind control device for psychological warfare, prepareing chinese people for invasion and subjugation.

i thank grandfather sky that today the chinese people are not under the poison fog of the bald donkeys. the evil tentacles of the golden fat idol cannot hurt us.

I like your style son. Except shi jia mo ni fo wasn't fat, he was manorexic.

Brilliant idea for a fad diet actually. One grain of rice a day, skinny bitches will eat that shit up. So to speak.

[Hendrik]

Hedrik believes in levitation, his argument is invalid.

I dont believes in levitation. I know levitation exist within the Buddhist monks or the Arhats.
So, there is no arguement. it is not for arguement. It is simply it is in the world of Buddhist cultivators where siddhi is natural. They dont show if off, but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist.


There is no point to talk vegitarian diet....etc if one do not know the world of samadhi and siddhi exist.

for most of us,
keep drink beer and watch tv and pretend to be some warrior and waiting for someday to die since we all will; let those life style control you because that is the world you choose to live in.