Shoot out in Bogota: Colombian Police in Action!

[Hardwork108]

Guy...you need to be more succinct.

Your post is TL;DNR

try to summarize your ideas.

Well, your allegations touch upon complex issues. Complex isssues are like authentic TCMAs, they take long to comprehend.

[aussie1981]

Columbian coffee rock's! mate it's awesome that you don't have to lock your door's at night, can't even leave them open here anymore.

I suppose iff they are cleaning it up then it would be a great model for the mexican's to follow.

[aussie1981]

How much truth is there to the rumor that pablo escabar was shot by a Delta Force Sniper? Iff Western govenrments were serious about the war on drugs they'd be sending in them and the SAS to sought em out I suppose.

[Hardwork108]

Columbian coffee rock's!

Very true. There are some coffee brands here that really hit the spot.

mate it's awesome that you don't have to lock your door's at night, can't even leave them open here anymore.

Sorry, what I meant was that we don't lock ourselves inside, afraid to go out at nights. However, we do take the normal precautions as anywhere else.

I suppose iff they are cleaning it up then it would be a great model for the mexican's to follow.

Mexico will eventually do it hopefully. What they need is strong leadership at the top.

Of course we cannot forget the problem of the constant involvement in the drugs trade of US (and other) intelligence agencies involved in this business for decades.

So, while they are fighting a so called "War on Drugs" on one level, they are involved in it up to their necks at another level. Pretty crazy, if not sad, if you ask me.

[Hardwork108]

How much truth is there to the rumor that pablo escabar was shot by a Delta Force Sniper?

I have heard the rumor too. Of course, Pablo Escobar was surrounded and had no way to escape, so no one needed the Delta Force to shoot him as the Colombian commandos/police force were perfectly capable of doing that. So, we cannot be sure if that rumor is true.

However, there is no doubt that the US intelligence agencies helped in tracking him down and that is quiet ironic when one considers what some researchers have said as regards the supposed hand of the CIA in the creation of the Medellin Cartel.

I guess that it is possible that Escobar signed his own death warrant when he offered to pay Colombia's foreign debt. That is because when Western based International banks give out credit, they do so not because they want to be payed back, but because they want to milk a given country's resources for what they are worth. This means no one can stand between them and their "interests".

Also, despite the violence that he apparently unlished on the people of Colombia. Many people here, moreso in Medellin, like him because he did help the poor, he did build hospitals and schools, as well as housing projects.

Iff Western govenrments were serious about the war on drugs they'd be sending in them and the SAS to sought em out I suppose.

It is my humble opinion that the Western governments will never be serious about the "War on Drugs", because on an occult level, they are involved in it.

Even in Afghanistan where the "Allies" invaded to fight the "terrorits" and the Taliban, as well as to stop the heroin trade, business is as usual. Infact, it is claimed that heroin production has multiplied since the US took control.

It all makes sense. Countries who OPENLY produce deadly armaments and sell them to other nations, including all sides of warring nations, would not have moral issues with trading in drugs.

I believe that the "War on Drugs" is a concept that is for public consumption. We live in a world run by nasty people (with sweet tongues).

[aussie1981]

Money talks and B.S walks ey?

[Hardwork108]

Money talks and B.S walks ey?

Yep. Unfortunately that is how things are now. Perhaps if enough people wake up and see these facts then we can have a peaceful change towards a less corrupt world.

Hey, by the way, I know a very nice lady living here in Cali from your part of the world. Actually, she is from Sidney, Australia.

[David Jamieson]

now?

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

the human condition is unaltered. It's a constant.
we think, we feel, we desire the same as always.

the only change is in accumulated knowledge and manifest technology.
Otherwise we are the same beast we have always been.

[rett]

the only change is in accumulated knowledge and manifest technology.
Otherwise we are the same beast we have always been.

Yeah.

You just have to see Orangutan Island on Animal Planet and the realization will inexorably dawn.

We're more like rats than like dogs.

[aussie1981]

Cool, Sydney's an alright place to come from. They a pretty open bunch of people there, you get all soughts

[David Jamieson]

Cool, Sydney's an alright place to come from. They a pretty open bunch of people there, you get all soughts

yeah but you also gotta pay 3 dollars for a banana there and I get them for 35 cents each.

I live in Canada! You are way closer to the bananas!

[Hardwork108]

now?

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Except for the fact that most of the "free world" is less free than it was 20 years ago, with people's lives being more and more controlled through taxations, fines and surveillance, because of artificially exaggerated threats of "Terrorism", "Man Made Global Warming"; "Epidemic/Endemic Threats"; etc.

the human condition is unaltered. It's a constant.
we think, we feel, we desire the same as always.

And most, if not all. of the above is under attempted control and scrutiny.

the only change is in accumulated knowledge and manifest technology.
Otherwise we are the same beast we have always been.

There is a difference between accumulated knowledge and thought patterns formed because constant force fed propaganda.

Example:

There are a lot of grown men here in this forum, who possess university degrees and other qualifications, yet their "accumulated knowledge" dictates that they live in a Democracy and that they have choice in how their lives are run, while in actuality they live under authoratarian regimes that control and attempt to control further every aspect of their lives, while their Presidents and Prime Ministers are handpicked and groomed by a financial/corporate elite that they the public do not know much about, long before they become aware of their existance and eventually "voting" them into power using no doubt their accumulated "knowledge" as a basis for their "decision".

That is why nothing changes in politics, because no matter who is elected, it is the same people that are pulling the strings and making the decisions in the background, independent of the intellectual prostitutes who front them!

Anyone still think that Obama came in to make "changes"? LOL!

[David Jamieson]

There are a lot of grown men here in this forum, who possess university degrees and other qualifications, yet their "accumulated knowledge" dictates that they live in a Democracy and that they have choice in how their lives are run, while in actuality they live under authoratarian regimes that control and attempt to control further every aspect of their lives, while their Presidents and Prime Ministers are handpicked and groomed by a financial/corporate elite that they the public do not know much about, long before they become aware of their existance and eventually "voting" them into power using no doubt their accumulated "knowledge" as a basis for their "decision".

That is why nothing changes in politics, because no matter who is elected, it is the same people that are pulling the strings and making the decisions in the background, independent of the intellectual prostitutes who front them!

Anyone still think that Obama came in to make "changes"? LOL!

I want to address this.

In western liberal democracies we do not suffer malnutrition or abuse by our military forces upon us, we are not forced to endure our own ignorance by merit of gender or class.

We can leave our country at any time we wish and go and visit any country that will let us in.

without question, a person from a western liberal democracy has something to offer out into the world. If nothing else, just example.

People yearn, cry, weep, die so that they may have even a small taste of what we in western liberal democracies take for granted on a daily basis.

I do not regret for one second where I am. My government's problems are minor compared to many of the rest of the world. America's problems are minor compared to the rest of the world's.

America worries about money. a symbol of effort and product/service.

much of the world worries about food and clean water, not symbols, actual needs for sustaining life itself.

An American who goes hungry is either: lazy to the point of detriment, ignorant to the point of frustration, forced into their hunger by an evil person or in another country where there is no food.

Many others on the planet who go hungry? They have no choice in the matter.

This has not changed one iota for the entire history of humankind. The names change, the people change, the borders change, men, do not.

[Hardwork108]

I want to address this.

In western liberal democracies we do not suffer malnutrition

No, except for the fact that a lot of your "nutricion" is spiked with poisonous and mind numbing chemicals.

or abuse by our military forces upon us,

No, but many are made to go and die in far away lands fighting FANTASY enemies, so that your Corporate and Banking cartels, or more accurately, the families and groups who own them, can get their hands on those country's natural resources, among other things.

Other citizens of liberal "democracies" are sacrificed through false flag operations such as "terrorist" attacks, in order to shift public opinion towards accepting illegal wars and mass murder in those very far away lands that your innocent soldiers are sent to die in!

we are not forced to endure our own ignorance by merit of gender or class.

Oh really?

We can leave our country at any time we wish and go and visit any country that will let us in.

Well nowadays many other citizens can do that too. You also have to realize that your countries are not interested in your well being and your rights in having vacations. They are interested in your wealth and assets. That means as long as they can skim them off you through extortionate taxations and fines, then they don't mind if you travel to hell and back!

without question, a person from a western liberal democracy has something to offer out into the world. If nothing else, just example.

I will make sure to sent that statement to the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and certain African countries. Oh heck, I might just send it to the people of Vietnam as well.

People yearn, cry, weep, die so that they may have even a small taste of what we in western liberal democracies take for granted on a daily basis.

Perhaps they wouldn't "yearn and cry....." if the Western liberal "democracies" had stopped de-establizing their governments through Intelligence operations and economic sabotage, Coup d'etats, "revolutions", direct all out war; engineered "financial crisis" and ETC.!

I will say this again. Many people in your part of the world are politically dumbed down since an early age. They have a black and white picture of the world and its politics.

Your very first post in this very thread illustrates my point to perfection!

I do not regret for one second where I am. My government's problems are minor compared to many of the rest of the world. America's problems are minor compared to the rest of the world's.

That would be because America and her allies, including your country have turned the world into a war, an economic disaster zone! Do your research, please!

America worries about money. a symbol of effort and product/service.

You forgot, looting and outright theft!

Again, please live your intellectual ego at home and go out and do some research!

much of the world worries about food and clean water, not symbols, actual needs for sustaining life itself.

And much of that world you are talking about are mineral rich countries where your multinational companies, owned by the same people that own your political leaders and by extension you the citizens, lock, stock and barrel - are exploiting mercilessly as we speak, with the backing and support of your countries' intelligence agencies and sometimes even military forces.

An American who goes hungry is either: lazy to the point of detriment, ignorant to the point of frustration, forced into their hunger by an evil person or in another country where there is no food.

Perhaps you should talk to some Americans living under bridges in big cities, forced there because of the artificially engineered financial crisis?

Many others on the planet who go hungry? They have no choice in the matter.

Of course they don't, because in many cases, any caring and honest politician is removed from power, and/or assassinated by elements backed by the Liberal "Democracies" of this world, in order to keep those countries unstable and easily exploitable.

This has not changed one iota for the entire history of humankind. The names change, the people change, the borders change, men, do not.

Men will change to a certain extent at least, if they are given a chance to change. However, it is not in the interest of the financial establishment elites based in the Liberal "Democracies" , to have such a change.

You will need to wake up one day and realize that despite the cosmetic niceties that your system offers the citizen, the countries themselves are run by handpicked PSYCHOPATHS.

The evidence of what I just said is all around you in the constant state of war and mass murder that these leaders promote, but many refuse to see it because of their "know it all" intellectual ego and the long term brainwashing they have been subjected to since an early age.

[David Jamieson]

we clearly do not share the same world view at all.


not even slightly.

I'm happy for the most part and I'm happy to be able to be happy.