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    hell freezing over aside

    Quote Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn View Post

    it was much better for "kung fu" when you had convicted gangsters running things...
    Well

    (1) the events the gangster guys did in the 70's and 80's WERE full contact after all, much better than point sparring any way you cut it

    (2) as I mentioned somewhere else, the fact those events were so "gangster" was kind of a good thing, tons of blood, torn open skin, brawling, nasty, ie REAL

    Not kung fu theatre

    As Gene and I discussed, 30 years ago kung fu was still at least about fighting
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    hold the phone...

    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    As Gene and I discussed, 30 years ago kung fu was still at least about fighting
    It's still about fighting. Have you stopped fighting? Have you stopped practicing kung fu? I think not. Never mind what others might be doing. As long as some are still into fighting, it retains that validity.

    The issue is that kung fu has expanded to include a lot of other things - health, artistic expression, psychotherapy for LARPers, etc. That's not all bad really. It only affects those practitioners of little self-esteem. I'm good with my kung fu practice. I can still throw down if necessary. I'm sure many others of you can too. Well...some of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    It's still about fighting. Have you stopped fighting? Have you stopped practicing kung fu?
    MANY people would say "yes" but your post has merit in it multi approach aspect

    I DO however see a LOT less fighting events with Chinese flavor. I mean if you look at that "old articles" thread, or if you were involved in the US san shou scene in the late 90's / early 2000's
    Last edited by lkfmdc; 07-22-2011 at 10:03 AM.
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    Yea, that's true...

    Fighting has definitely taken a backseat to forms in the CMA tournaments. I was just being picky about your phrasing above.

    I think there's several factors weighing into that decline: the rise of MMA, more regulations imposed on full contact fights, the Olympic wushu bid of 2008, the increase of wushu-based fight scenes in movies, and the fat asses of our forum members who'd rather flame each other instead of practicing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    Fighting has definitely taken a backseat to forms in the CMA tournaments.

    I think there's several factors weighing into that decline:

    more regulations imposed on full contact fights
    I obviously edited the above, but I HAVE seen people just say "oh we can't do it" without even investigating the real deal

    CA is apparently the exception rather than the rule ( you can do MMA but not san shou, how f-in strange is that!)

    BECAUSE of MMA being accepted and regulated it is EASIER to do kickboxing now (which is what most CMA competitions are, sanshou included). I mean, you are using pads, there is no hitting downed guys, no choking them out, etc

    I can get MMA insurance for around $2000, a san shou event would be CHEAPER. Considering that events in the past got over 150 competitors at $60 a head, that would be well within budget

    I think it is more of an EXCUSE....
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    Quote Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    Fighting has definitely taken a backseat to forms in the CMA tournaments. I was just being picky about your phrasing above.

    I think there's several factors weighing into that decline: the rise of MMA, more regulations imposed on full contact fights, the Olympic wushu bid of 2008, the increase of wushu-based fight scenes in movies, and the fat asses of our forum members who'd rather flame each other instead of practicing.
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    So true...so true...

    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    CA is apparently the exception rather than the rule ( you can do MMA but not san shou, how f-in strange is that!)
    You know, I just heard that there are now more medical marijuana providers in Los Angeles than there are Starbucks.

    CA amateur MMA is now dominated by CAMO. Cung was talking about doing a 'limited technique' MMA fight that would have essentially been sanshou (in a ring) last year, but he bailed on it, as what was the point really? It's not like that would have attracted more fighters or more audience. The real sticking point with sanshou here is the leitai. Full contact has to be in a ring or a cage. No one will touch the leitai concept - it's all about insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    hell freezing over aside


    As Gene and I discussed, 30 years ago kung fu was still at least about fighting
    Rose colored glasses - Good KF was always in the minority. Why care about what others are doing? just do your own thing and make sure you're on the right track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post

    CA amateur MMA is now dominated by CAMO.
    I have heard 2nd hand bad stuff about that

    Any comment?

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post

    The real sticking point with sanshou here is the leitai. Full contact has to be in a ring or a cage. No one will touch the leitai concept - it's all about insurance.
    I understand that Cung's shows (Born to Fight) which were in a RING were not allowed, he then turned it into an MMA show

    Am I wrong?

    My understanding is the entire format, not the competition area, is considered illegal

    We had a LOT of shows in CA thanks to Cung (and Tat Mau)... if it is actually LEGAL that would be some hope
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    Gene left me hanging
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    Quote Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn View Post
    well, like LKFMDC - he's a genuine Kung Fu Hero™
    Quote Originally Posted by Taixuquan99 View Post
    As much as I get annoyed when it gets derailed by the array of strange angry people that hover around him like moths, his good posts are some of my favorites.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    I think he goes into a cave to meditate and recharge his chi...and bite the heads off of bats, of course....

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    Sorry - I was in a meeting. I'm at work you know.

    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    I have heard 2nd hand bad stuff about that
    Any comment?
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    I understand that Cung's shows (Born to Fight) which were in a RING were not allowed, he then turned it into an MMA show

    Am I wrong?
    Well, Cung is all about MMA and movie making now, but he still proudly reps sanshou and kudos to him for that. He still does BtF events. In fact, I think there was one last weekend. I went to one last year. ; it was under the auspices of CAMO. One of the issues, as you pointed out in the thread above, is indeed throws above the waist. Honestly, I think most of the issues are trivial and surmountable. The real thing holding back sanshou is lack of interest. With so many Muay Thai and MMA fights going on all the time here now, sanshou can't even get a foothold in, promotion-wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post

    One of the issues, as you pointed out in the thread above, is indeed throws above the waist. Honestly, I think most of the issues are trivial and surmountable.
    If full MMA is now legal in the state, you'd think they could let amateurs do some kickboxing with some throws

    (but it IS CA LOL!)

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post

    The real thing holding back sanshou is lack of interest. With so many Muay Thai and MMA fights going on all the time here now, sanshou can't even get a foothold in, promotion-wise.
    Not sure either if it is "do able" but you'd think that since you can do everything you do in Thai in San Da AND you can also wrestle that it would appeal to the MMA crowd

    IE, train your stand up, ALL your stand up

    But Muay Thai is a lot more organized and they stick together
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    well, like LKFMDC - he's a genuine Kung Fu Hero™
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    As much as I get annoyed when it gets derailed by the array of strange angry people that hover around him like moths, his good posts are some of my favorites.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    I think he goes into a cave to meditate and recharge his chi...and bite the heads off of bats, of course....

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