Massacre in Norway

[SimonM]

This news source summarizes what we know so far pretty well.

Eighty-five confirmed dead in the shooting, mostly children, more likely. Seven dead in the bombing with nine more seriously injured.

The suspect apprehended is apparently cooperating with police and "wants to explain himself"

Although early reports in conservative media sources tried to blame Islamic bugbears the apparent shooter is a Christian conservative with anti-immigration, nationalistic sentiments.

[rett]

Although early reports in conservative media sources tried to blame Islamic bugbears

You lost me right there as you exploit this tragedy to make a whiney little leftist point. All reputable and reliable sources still agree that Islamic militants post the greatest security threat to Europe and even Norway today.

My heart goes out to Norway and especially to the parents friends and family of the victims. That's all that needs saying.

[SimonM]

Oh look: A conservative calling any critique from the left "whiney" oh dear me, whatever will I do?

[rett]

Oh look: A conservative calling any critique from the left "whiney" oh dear me, whatever will I do?

Now the only thing you can do is to call me a "conservative" presumably from your blindered little Canadian viewpoint.

I'm a social-liberal in the Swedish sense of the term. Have voted that way, thought that way, for years. Conservatism as in North America is an incredibly marginal phenomenon here.

Why don't you drop your unbelievably snide and superior attitude, especially in this of all threads.

I find it offensive that you would post about this event just to push your agenda.

[SimonM]

You know what Rett? You make a good point. And I apologize.

The greatest tragedy here is that the crime happened at all. I am sickened by the loss of life.

I'm also furious with the BBC and the Telegraph and Sun Media for their response to this terrible atrocity.

We don't always respond in the best way when we are angry.

So, again, I'm sorry for causing offence. It was not my intention.

[Syn7]

pretty crazy... im still short on some of the details... these things pop up every now and then... not to sound heartless, but a massacre here and there is pretty normal... sucks to be them tho... i find it amazing that so few died from the actual bombing... 80 people by gun is indeed a bloodbath and a half...

best wishes to the fams left behind...

[Syn7]

Now the only thing you can do is to call me a "conservative" presumably from your blindered little Canadian viewpoint.

I'm a social-liberal in the Swedish sense of the term. Have voted that way, thought that way, for years. Conservatism as in North America is an incredibly marginal phenomenon here.

Why don't you drop your unbelievably snide and superior attitude, especially in this of all threads.

I find it offensive that you would post about this event just to push your agenda.

whats with the Canada vs US garbage i keep seeinbg in here???

look, we all make jokes and politically the two countries are very different... but as every day people, we are all very VERY similar... ive lived in both countries and feel i have more than enough experience to say that the differences between the two countries people are minute...

[David Jamieson]

This is very troubling indeed.

[Hardwork108]

whats with the Canada vs US garbage i keep seeinbg in here???

look, we all make jokes and politically the two countries are very different... but as every day people, we are all very VERY similar... ive lived in both countries and feel i have more than enough experience to say that the differences between the two countries people are minute...

Of course the differences between the two countries are minute. After all they are run by the same people.

[Hardwork108]

Have a look at this (Washington's Blog):


Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims.

Norway is an odd choice as a Muslim terror target:

* Norway has endorsed Palestinian statehood. See this, this and this

* Norway has excluded Isareli investments. As Haaertz reported last year:

Norway’s 450 billion euro oil-riches fund has excluded two Israeli firms involved in developing settlements ... on ethical grounds, Norway’s finance ministry said on Monday.

* Indeed, Senator Lieberman has accused Norway of promoting anti-semitism

* Norway has also announced its plan to withdraw from the Libyan war

* The summer camp where the shootings took place had just concluded a pro-Palestinian rally the day before

This is hardly the profile of a normal Muslim terrorist target. Therefore, many are alleging that it is another false flag terror attack.

In addition, as Business Insider notes:

The other big possibility, touted by some on Twitter, is that the attack could have come from the Norwegian right. The Norwegian far right were once a feared proposition but have been relatively mellow in recent years due to the success of populist success of the Progress Party.

BBC notes:

Meanwhile a gunman dressed as a policeman started shooting at a Labour youth camp on the island of Utoeya.

Unconfirmed reports say several people have been killed. The gunman has been arrested.

The Telegraph reports:

Hours later there was an summer camp youth conference of the ruling Labour Party, which is being attended by current Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg. The conference is taking place on the island of Utøya. The man apparently infiltrated the conference on the pretence that he had been sent by the police as a security measure in the wake of the Oslo explosions. As such, it is likely he was ethnically Norwegian. This could indicate the involvement of a far-right group rather than an Islamist group ...

MSNBC notes:

Police say the gunman is a 32-year-old Norwegian.

Witnesses described the suspect as "blond" and "Nordic-looking." Late Friday, Knut Storberegt, Norway's royal minister of justice and the police, confirmed that he is a Norwegian; the BBC, citing police, said he was from Utoya. Police said he is also believed to have been involved in the bombing that killed seven people earlier in the day in Oslo, about 25 miles away.

Magnus Ranstorp, a specialist in militant Islamic movements and research director at the Center for Asymmetric Threat Studies at the Swedish National Defense College, cautioned that widespread assumptions that the attacks were connected to international terrorism could be wrong.

The description of the suspect and his possible involvement in bombing national government offices "point to an internal rather than external extremist," Ranstorp told Nettavisen.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/...lo-norway.html



THEN LOOK AT THIS (The BBC):

Three held in Norway 'al-Qaeda bomb plot'

Janne Kristiansen, head of Norway's security police, announces the arrests
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Three people have been arrested in connection with a plot to bomb targets in Norway, police in Oslo have said.

Two of the plotters were arrested in Norway and one in Germany, said the head of the Norwegian security police, Janne Kristiansen.

The men - a Uighur from China, an Iraqi and an Uzbek - are said to have ties to al-Qaeda and to be linked to bomb plots in the US and UK, Ms Kristiansen said.

The three, all Norwegian residents, had been under surveillance for a year.

US prosecutors say the Norwegian case is linked to foiled bomb plots in New York and the English city of Manchester.

"We believe this group has had links to people abroad who can be linked to al-Qaeda, and to people who are involved in investigations in other countries, among others the United States and Britain," Ms Kristiansen said.

She said one of the men was a Norwegian citizen, 39, a Muslim Uighur from China, who had lived in Norway since 1999.

Another was an Iraqi citizen, 37, who was granted Norwegian residency on humanitarian grounds.
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The third man was an Uzbek national, 31, who was granted permanent residency in Norway on grounds of family reunification, Ms Kristiansen said.

She gave no details of where the men were arrested, nor any information about locations which may have been targeted for attacks.

Ms Kristiansen said the arrests had been brought forward because news of the probe was about to appear in the international media.

"Such an exposure of the case, without a foregoing arrest, could have proved destructive to the investigation, and with great danger of destruction of evidence," she told a news conference in Oslo.

"We have not chosen this timing completely by ourselves, but we think that we have a solid case, which in the end, naturally, will be up to the courts to decide."

The BBC's security correspondent Gordon Corera says Norway may have been targeted because it has troops in Afghanistan.
Twin plots

On Wednesday, US prosecutors unveiled charges against four men wanted over a plot to bomb the underground system in New York.
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They also brought extra charges against a fifth man who is awaiting trial over the alleged conspiracy, foiled last September.

Two other men, Colorado resident Najibullah Zazi and New Yorker Zarein Ahmedzay, have already pleaded guilty.

The US Attorney General, Eric Holder, has described the New York conspiracy as one of the most serious terrorist plots since the 9/11 attacks in 2001.

"The charges reveal that the plot... was directed by senior al-Qaeda leadership in Pakistan," the US Department of Justice said in a statement.

It continues: "[The plot] was also directly related to a scheme by al-Qaeda plotters in Pakistan to use Western operatives to attack a target in the United Kingdom."

One of those named by New York prosecutors is Abid Naseer.

The US is seeking the extradition of the Pakistan-born 24-year-old, who was arrested in the north-east of England on Wednesday.

Mr Naseer was remanded in custody by a court in the UK.

The former construction site worker is suspected of being the ringleader of a plot, thwarted in April 2009, to bomb targets in Manchester city centre.

As in Oslo, the police operation in Manchester had to be brought forward.

Police made arrests ahead of schedule in the Manchester plot after a senior UK police officer unwittingly revealed details of the operation.

A bid to put Mr Naseer on trial in Britain was aborted last year and his deportation was blocked when a judge said he could face torture in Pakistan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10554523


Something smell's fishy! "False Flag", anyone? I am not saying it 100% yet, but people have to think about such events!

[Syn7]

it was not a false flag attack... don't be a retard... i know its hard... but just dont...


it was some insecure lil d1ck j3rkoff without the good sense to stick the gun in his own mouth...

[David Jamieson]

Indeed, "false flag" is a ridiculous assumption seeing as it was immediately reported as is except of course by te ass hats at fox news who immediately went to "fascist islam" with it and of course...now they don't want to talk about it because the guy was a right wing christian terrorist and that would just confuse the people they have worked very hard at convincing to believe in their stream of pathetic lies.

just sayin...

[BJJ-Blue]

Indeed, "false flag" is a ridiculous assumption seeing as it was immediately reported as is except of course by te ass hats at fox news who immediately went to "fascist islam" with it and of course...now they don't want to talk about it because the guy was a right wing christian terrorist and that would just confuse the people they have worked very hard at convincing to believe in their stream of pathetic lies.

Just stop. If they were pushing a right wing agenda they would point out that no one in Norway can own a gun without Gov't permission. And since the liberals say we only have gun violence because of our lax gun laws, they could use this very story to attack liberals and further this agenda you claim they have.

As for lies, they aren't running around saying the Federal Reserve is a private corporation. Nor are they blowing up GM trucks (NBC), or taking anonymous faxes from Kinko's as proof (CBS) to further their agenda.

[BJJ-Blue]

And fyi David, you might want to actually check out the Foxews website before you make false assertions about them. At this very moment they have TWO front page articles about the Norway massacre. Here are the links to them, and to the Foxnews front page so you can see for yourself.

Sources:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07...est=latestnews
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/07...fter-massacre/
http://www.foxnews.com/

[MasterKiller]

Just stop. If they were pushing a right wing agenda they would point out that no one in Norway can own a gun without Gov't permission. And since the liberals say we only have gun violence because of our lax gun laws, they could use this very story to attack liberals and further this agenda you claim they have.

You deny Fox has an obvious right-wing slant?

As for lies, they aren't running around saying the Federal Reserve is a private corporation. Nor are they blowing up GM trucks (NBC), or taking anonymous faxes from Kinko's as proof (CBS) to further their agenda.