Playing Wing Chun

[HumbleWCGuy]

More ChernKiu Sao.

I think the answer is in drilling. Just so say, "spar," without giving people the correct tools is about the hardest way imaginable to develop any art. It will happen, but it will take longer, and it is essentially telling people that they are on their own.

[HumbleWCGuy]

IMHO, The only time you play Wing Chun is in chi sao/gor sao...etc. The example given in the link is not an example of any of those, rather it's an example of two inexperienced students trying to win point on who can land a tap/ "hit" first.

It happens a lot more with inexperienced people. But:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGq16earzl8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvUP76MbtJE

[Tom Kagan]

I think the answer is in drilling. Just so say, "spar," without giving people the correct tools is about the hardest way imaginable to develop any art. It will happen, but it will take longer, and it is essentially telling people that they are on their own.

Which is why I said "More ChernKiu Sao" instead of "More MaaiSeung Jong".

Regardless, you are applying your own definition of "sparring" to create a strawman. Sparring isn't a fight and you are not on your own. Perhaps a lot of "sparring" you wouldn't call sparring, but it is the umbrella most western arts use to cover exactly what you are trying to suggest is not sparring but merely drilling.

[nasmedicine]

It happens a lot more with inexperienced people. But:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGq16earzl8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvUP76MbtJE

both videos are good example of controlled wing chun playing in general (i'm sure there are those who will nit pick it to death, including myself). The second video was something more to my definition of "playing" wing chun. In the first video i feel that if they had some equipment on they could have been less uninhibited, especially with their kicking and footwork.

[imperialtaichi]

IMHO, The only time you play Wing Chun is in chi sao/gor sao...etc. The example given in the link is not an example of any of those, rather it's an example of two inexperienced students trying to win point on who can land a tap/ "hit" first.

Aim at hitting the opponent and you will get just that - hitting the opponent; and you will be defeated. Instead, focus on completely demolishing your opponent.

[nasmedicine]

Aim at hitting the opponent and you will get just that - hitting the opponent; and you will be defeated. Instead, focus on completely demolishing your opponent.

Agreed. .

[HumbleWCGuy]

Which is why I said "More ChernKiu Sao" instead of "More MaaiSeung Jong".

Yup, and... I was agreeing with you.

Regardless, you are applying your own definition of "sparring" to create a strawman. Sparring isn't a fight and you are not on your own. Perhaps a lot of "sparring" you wouldn't call sparring, but it is the umbrella most western arts use to cover exactly what you are trying to suggest is not sparring but merely drilling.

I am calling it sparring because that's what the people who posted the videos thought it was.

Good sparring, light or hard is dynamic and fluid. The hands move like whipping branches. Stiff defense, reaching, one punch attacks, and lumbering footwork passed off as sparring contribute to playing Wing Chun.