Head Lock

[YouKnowWho]

In the following clip, we can see that the "head lock" was applied 8 times with 4 succeesses (0.30, 1.17, 1.56, 2.44) and 4 failures (0.55, 1.44, 2.27, 3.44). the successful rate was 50%. This should be a valid proof that it's a very useful skill in the Sanda/Sanshou tournaments.

If you compete in Sanda/Sanshou, how important in your mind that "head lock" should be one of your effective tools?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbzghEV0rIM

[lkfmdc]

That is an extremely sloppy fight and the opponent appears to have very little if any clinch training

[Frost]

so something works 50% of the time in a crappy fight where no one can clinch fight properly, and in your mind that makes it a useful move

[MasterKiller]

Instead of a headlock, most people try to get an underhook or overhook on the far side before attempting the hip throw.

Even a single collar/neck-tie is preferable to a full headlock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mskX8EDVy8k

[EarthDragon]

I agree bad example. Its hard to put small town tourneys with girls fighting with obviously littel experiance to prove a method of success. sorry John I usually always agree with your posts as they are knowlegable and present high level skill.

[Frost]

Instead of a headlock, most people try to get an underhook or overhook on the far side before attempting the hip throw.

Even a single collar/neck-tie is preferable to a full headlock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mskX8EDVy8k

thank you, this is what i have said to him every time he posts, john seems to have a thing for the head lock, yet its just a low percentage move

[HumbleWCGuy]

I agree bad example. Its hard to put small town tourneys with girls fighting with obviously littel experiance to prove a method of success. sorry John I usually always agree with your posts as they are knowlegable and present high level skill.

LOL... Bad martial arts is limited to girls and small towns.

[lkfmdc]

Of all the things you can do, neck tie, double neck tie, over hook, under hook, seat belts, inside bicept control ("monkey arm"), steering whell, wrist control, etc the headlock is the LOWEST PERCENTAGE MOVE...

[pazman]

The headlock throw is one of those things that seem like a good idea when you think about it in your head, but its just not a technique that should be a part of Sanda syllabus.

I don't want to disparage the competitors in the video, but there was nothing to indicate state-of-the-art sanda technique.

[MasterKiller]

[YouKnowWho]

Even a single collar/neck-tie is preferable to a full headlock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mskX8EDVy8k

The above clip is exactly the "head lock" that I'm talking about here. He starts with controlling his opponent's back neck (collar/neck-tie) when he is facing his opponent. The moment that his body is turning (at 0.10), his arm extends and surrounds his opponent's neck just like the following picture.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/headlock.jpg/

[MasterKiller]

This looks like "head lock" to me. He starts with controlling his opponent's back neck (collar/neck-tie). In the middle of the throwing (at 0.10), his arm surrounds his opponent's neck just like the following picture.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/headlock.jpg/

The problem with the headlock is that more often than not, the headlocker is going to get suplexed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpuTY1Rodf4

[lkfmdc]

The problem with the headlock is that more often than not, the headlocker is going to get suplexed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpuTY1Rodf4

actually the REAL problem is, with sweat, you often lose your back to the person

[YouKnowWho]

The problem with the headlock is that more often than not, the headlocker is going to get suplexed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpuTY1Rodf4

So we are talking about the same "head lock" here. Just to make sure on that first. For a while I thought you have different definition about head lock than I do.

Since I started this thread, I'm not going to express my own opinion but just "listen" to your guys opinions here.

[MasterKiller]

So we are talking about the same "head lock" here. Just to make sure on that first. For a while I thought you have different definition about head lock than I do.

Since I started this thread, I'm not going to express my own opinion but just to "listen" to your guys opinion here.

Yeah, same as your pic

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/40/headlock.jpg/

You have both arms tied up on my head, I can slip to your back and have both arms free and my hips behind you. That's a bad spot for you.