Itinerant practitioner
I think you're right.
I think I don't view that as training that can be sustained and therefore it's not going to be something that I will be doing much of.
You have to recycle your training partners! When you meet and fight the enemy for real, THEN you can slam him into the curb if need be.
Otherwise, it's training. Footwork would be understood through this though, I will give it that for sure as well.
Kung Fu is good for you.
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
oh of course. i just happen to like training on cement. part of this is because some of my students don't want to fight in the ring, but prefer to fight in the streets if they have to. Training for that environment is just as important as training on matts IMHO. However I am training my guys now to fight in some local Muay Thai matches out here in the SF area.the percentages are reduced on those compared to cement wouldn't you say?
Street fighters are extremely aware of being body slammed to the cement which can end it right there. so they work their footwork, center of gravity, and even know how to sprawl and escapes from clinches just from experience and fear from fighting without ever being trained.Otherwise, it's training. Footwork would be understood through this though, I will give it that for sure as well.
Last edited by hskwarrior; 08-05-2011 at 10:52 AM.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
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Because training in methods that let you go longer and full force without getting injured is superior to training in methods in which you can't go long at full force before getting injured. Training on concrete does not allow for extended periods of full contact training without injuries.Originally Posted by hskwarrior
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
i do agree with that. but there is experience to be gained from training on the cement as well.Because training in methods that let you go longer and full force without getting injured is superior to training in methods in which you can't go long at full force before getting injured. Training on concrete does not allow for extended periods of full contact training without injuries.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
Registered User
This is true, which is why it would be a good idea to train in this environment occasionally.
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I will have to disagree that there is experience to be gained by training on cement. IMO it is counterproductive. Everyone knows that cement is harder than matts, so they can make the correlation that if you get tossed on cement, your ass is getting broke. If you're constantly training on cement, you are not going to throw properly as if you would on the mat. Any environment that does not allow you to properly execute your technique to it's fullest, would provide you with the most benefit from that technique.
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
Counter productive to what? ring fighting?I will have to disagree that there is experience to be gained by training on cement. IMO it is counterproductive. Everyone knows that cement is harder than matts, so they can make the correlation that if you get tossed on cement, your ass is getting broke. If you're constantly training on cement, you are not going to throw properly as if you would on the mat. Any environment that does not allow you to properly execute your technique to it's fullest, would provide you with the most benefit from that technique.
I have to disagree with you on all this. But if all you're talking about is throws, ok. the cement isn't the best surface to train throws. take down, sweeps, stand up, and ground fighting is what i'm talking about here. Also, IMHO training against throws on the cement is where you benefit because you don't want to be thrown and what's the wrong surface to be down onto? the cement. so if you train how NOT to be thrown on this surface you'll find A benefit.
for example, someone says "hey, you're good at stopping throws, who'd you get so good?" and the other guy responds "by training on the cement. i was doing my best NOT to get thrown onto it".....
Last edited by hskwarrior; 08-05-2011 at 11:40 AM.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
Loud City
Shows a lack of understanding, still, of the ground. Not pulling guard to finish the guillotine,especially an arm-in guillotine, and then the guy on top not using a Von Flue choke when the guy on bottom wouldn't let go, show how basic their ground fighting is.
He most honors my style who learns under it to destroy the teacher. -- Walt Whitman
GM of Hadaka Korosu
Von Flue Choke?
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
sanjuro, i thought you left this forum? LMAO
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
Loud City
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPQmH9mFSU0
He most honors my style who learns under it to destroy the teacher. -- Walt Whitman
Banned
I would never have thought that after watching season 2 of TUF that Jason Von Flue would have a choke named after him.
Banned
You get good at anything by doing it a lot. And doing it the same way, the right way, over and over and over again.
When you know how to throw and, more importantly, how to take a throw, then you could train on cement but why would you? You can walk around on concrete barefoot all day everyday, but we use shoes with comfortable soles. It makes the experience more enjoyable and thus easier to replicate/continue/look forward to.
(note: I prefer no shoes and hate throwing class because our mats suck and I don't fall right enough)
Same goes for headgear and gloves. Without those, 9 out of 10 times most people are holding their punching. Even with gloves and headgear you're usually not swinging for the fence. You're swinging to land but focusing more on smooth and loose. Better to allow landing with gear than holding back without.
Banned
I can see where you're coming from, but i remember when we trained on mats, we didn't just give into the sweep, throw, etc...we would certainly try our best not to be takin down.
GM of Hadaka Korosu
Seriously?
They named "yoko gyakyu hajime" after him ??
Well, BJJ payers do love to do that so I guess it's ok...
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
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