Black Taoist Update

[TenTigers]

guys, let it go. They were training outdoors, the grappling was controlled and relatively cooperative, as they both understood the safety concerns, and played it like gentlemen/Hing-Dai. They were sparring, not brawling, not competing.

[hskwarrior]

guys, let it go. They were training outdoors, the grappling was controlled and relatively cooperative, as they both understood the safety concerns, and played it like gentlemen/Hing-Dai. They were sparring, not brawling, not competing.

agreed. .......

[Lebaufist]

Training is training. It's not a contest and it's not an effort to injure your training partner.

If training on concrete, footwork and stability would be of interest to understand. I can freely extrapolate that my skull can be cracked open wit a simple trip up.

I'm not advocating the polar separation that seems to go on here about everything. Working on a mat is obviously the best day to day choice.

However....

My point was that people take liberties with their technique choices on a mat that they shouldn't on the street.

[lkfmdc]

My point was that people take liberties with their technique choices on a mat that they shouldn't on the street.

and the REVERSE is also true

in the video, one guy goes for a single, the other guy sinks in underhooks to set up his head lock. One of the solutions to this would be to transition to a high crotch and SLAM the guy. Most likely, being they are class mates (and not psychos), they aren't going to do that on concrete. So (1) the attacker is denied the opportunity to try that follow up and (2) the defender is denied the opportunity to respond / defend against that follow up

It was a pretty good clip, but if you ask my professional opinion, they are better served working on mats

[Eric Olson]

Because training in methods that let you go longer and full force without getting injured is superior to training in methods in which you can't go long at full force before getting injured. Training on concrete does not allow for extended periods of full contact training without injuries.

Not if your training environment doesn't replicate reality. Would be nice if we lived in a padded world

EO

[monkey mind]

guys, let it go. They were training outdoors, the grappling was controlled and relatively cooperative, as they both understood the safety concerns, and played it like gentlemen/Hing-Dai. They were sparring, not brawling, not competing.

Good point with regard to the grappling. But how about the strikes (i.e. the vast majority of what was on the clip)? This was a sparring situation, with gloves, headgear & who knows what pads under all the clothes. So why were the strikes so limited in variety & loose in technique? I mean, at least 90% of what I saw were swinging attempts at head strikes. Only 1 guy used his legs & he only tried some weak roundhouse kicks, always to the body & always with the right leg. If I'm in a fight or serious competition, I'm going to stick to the few techniques I'm most comfortable with (that's where I'm at in my training). But when I spar like this, I try to use a wide variety of techniques, especially those I'm less comfortable with. And mixing up the targeting is key. I give the guys in the clip credit for doing this kind of training. I'd just like to see more, I don't know, sophistication(?) in their approach. Of course, I don't know anything about the individuals involved & their experience.

[Ray Pina]

Not if your training environment doesn't replicate reality. Would be nice if we lived in a padded world

EO

Do you advocate the use of real knives/blades for weapons training?

[TenTigers]

Do you advocate the use of real knives/blades for weapons training?

when I learned FMA, we occasionally used live blades....they were dull, but sharp enough to cut.
-jus sayin'...

[lkfmdc]

when I learned FMA, we occasionally used live blades....they were dull, but sharp enough to cut.
-jus sayin'...

you never did FMA, you just had to commute through hepstead