Well in the entire united states, there are probably only 5 or 6 places that you could go to learn good combative WC. Even then, you don't have many training partners cause they are all at MT class. MMA hit. TCMA resisted the change. All of the athletes left for mma.
Now there are guys like Eric Paulson, Greg Nelson, and Ron Balicki who Teach JKD that have WC elements in their fighting. They still use a lot of entries to get into their grappling. Paks and bongs flow nicely into underhooks and other clinching positions.
its winning record , for me , is in every bar, nightclub I ever had to stop someone doing security work, never let me down.
Sometimes with more than one guy coming at me, in wild west bar fights scenes.....last man standing ? skinny me
I would get 'tested' by guys in security doing MT , boxing...all respected what I showed them.
In close quarter situations, clubs, bars, in situations where going to the ground isnt a good idea , for being jumped and kicked by more than one person is common...VT
I dont believe in VT for all things ether, so knowing my own ground work also came into effect on a few occasions . I do believe in x training if your going into sport fighting of mma.
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and i know several guys doing security work who did just fine with MMA stuff or just thai boxing...couple even fight in the UFC now, the difference is whilst both sides have nice stories about winning on the street, wing chun seems to lack any evidence of it working well in the ring or the cage....strange that?
And MMA is as likely to mean clinch and hit or punch and throw as it is ground fighting
Here in the last statement I absolutely agree 100%.....'teachers' used VT popularity and 'apparent'ease of teaching to develop a 'learn to fight without getting hit' $$$ mentality.
MMA cleared the BS
Like anything of quality, good food, you wont find it at mcdonalds, mcdojo.
Who is saying anything about a ground game? Why do you keep bringing that up
It can be clips of sparring, sanda, sanshou and have nothing to do with ground work why keep using that as an excuse? But of course whilst you love to mock others sparring clips as being not proper wing chun and you love to post clips of Bayer doing non contact drills so me can all admire him in action you cant post anything of actually sparring/fighting clips from your lineage……….
For tedious and boring should I translate into cant answer so ill just ignore you?
In a security situation straight boxing can be tough. MT works if you have an instructor wants to broaden the scope beyond just ring application. You are so much better off if you don't have to strike anyone. I know of a few guys who use straight BJJ in bars as bouncers, but they work as a group and watch eachother's backs when they are on the ground.
For my money, when trying to keep it legal:
if I totally outclass someone, I prefer chin na because it allows me to stay on my feet and arrest their movement. If they are half-way tough, I would rather use what BJJ I know to hold someone down, threaten to break an arm, or choke someone. Using "pure" Wing Chun will just get you arrested.
I would just like to add something to this discussion.
My muay thai instructor is also an instructor in jun fan gung fu, so we did a lot of chi sao back in the day.
I've used the pak sau and the bong sau for parrying successfully in the ring. The difference is that it has to be instinctual and it never works the way wing chun guys train it in their chi sao.
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