Green Dragon Studios

[kal]

Found this Green Dragon demo on another forum

http://www.guba.com/watch/2000790797...f9da97bfe06cc1

You can see a very very wide cross section of forms and styles on this link.

One of the women demostrators -- I believe her name is Marge Smith -- looks extremely strong and agile.

[Mas Judt]

This iis all fine and good - but it does not change the fact that many of the forms and thier applications as demonstrated by Green Dragon are so far removed from the actual (and functional) versions that it is just ridiculous - thier Bak Mei and Xing-yi comes to mind from the ones I've seen.

I have no doubt that they may have something of value, but the proof is self-evident that everything they have is not very good.

Just an oobservation.

[iron tiger]

as demonstrated by Green Dragon are so far removed from the actual (and functional) versions that it is just ridiculous

Or, vice versa.

[lkfmdc]

Ah, yes, I remember the justification band wagon in the 90's when similar things were said.....

Thier version of white eyebrow looks NOTHING like white eyebrow. They have a "wu mei" set that doesn't look like wu mei. Pretty much all their stuff looks like variations on the same northern based system. But in a few cases they are simply doing stuff wrong, ie in that clip they are doing bung bo from 7 star mantis, much of it is being done wrong...

Thier studnets look like they train hard, and a lot of the northern stuff is pretty good, why claim to know stuff you clearly don't know?

[Royal Dragon]

Green Dragon are so far removed from the actual (and functional) versions that it is just ridiculous - thier Bak Mei and Xing-yi comes to mind from the ones I've seen

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Ditto for the Tai Tzu tapes.

[iron tiger]

why claim to know stuff you clearly don't know?

Now there is some sweet irony!

[lkfmdc]

yeah, whatever dude, if you think that stuff is white eyebrow, more power to ya

[iron tiger]

more power to ya

That's where the internal strength sets & herbs come in.

[kal]

Cool. I missed that one and never found the back ish that had it (even tried going through IKF/Cater but they had none left in stock). I think that, somewhere or other, I have all the rest except maybe the last one (covered Tiger Paws) or two that appeared after I let my script expire.

All (there are quite a few) are Xeroxed copies. Sometime or other (early 90s I think) somebody (ex-GD student and one or two "by extension" people) made a zillion copies of these and passed them around to various people, as I understand it.

I also have quite a few of the old (early 70s/mid 80s?) newspaper articles re: Ong, Chang, Chicoine, Green Dragon, etc., in a box somewhere over the garage? Some I've scanned onto disk, but I'd have to dig 'em out.

Would you be able to scan and post some of these articles? I'll be happy to do the same. I also have the one from 1992 that you mentioned which has the White Lotus Tiger Paws. (It's that weapons with two sharp pointed stars on the ends, isn't it?)

[Mas Judt]

"That's where the internal strength sets & herbs come in."

Now if that doesn't sound like OYD, I don't know what does. But you guys don'y s@ck as much as the OYD, and you definitely don't know Bak Mei.

This enters fantasy land folks, and it is unfortunate because it makes what you have that is good suspect.

[IronWeasel]

"That's where the internal strength sets & herbs come in."

Now if that doesn't sound like OYD, I don't know what does. But you guys don'y s@ck as much as the OYD, and you definitely don't know Bak Mei.

This enters fantasy land folks, and it is unfortunate because it makes what you have that is good suspect.

Where did you learn your White Eyebrow?

[iron tiger]

Would you be able to scan and post some of these articles?

Not without IKF's permission, and not feasible time or opportunity wise any time soon. I would like to do it when/if possible, however.

you definitely don't know Bak Mei

Or, maybe you don't; though you may know sport-style BM.

I know that Green Dragon defines the difference between "internal" and 'external' differently than most schools do, too. With good reasons that they are able to demonstrate from a practical standpoint.

Likewise, I have yet to see hardly any other martial arts school train forms the way they do, for the reasons that they do, from the various interrated systems & styles that they do.

Again, that half-second paradigm that guides most of their training.

So it makes perfect sense to me that their performances on the variety of styles that they do goes against the grain & "core thinking" of the mainstream kung fu schools; no big surprise.

[lkfmdc]

sport-style BM.

it only gets better

[iron tiger]

it only gets better

If I ever actually see a kung fu guy fight---even in a sport style tourney, say; let alone as a matter of course---effectively using BM (or some other style) forms, ie the principles that underlie them (and ALL serious kung fu forms, regardless of style), then maybe my opinion would change.

But, there's a reason most people see most kung fu "fighting" as a joke.

[Royal Dragon]

I know that Green Dragon defines the difference between "internal" and 'external' differently than most schools do, too. With good reasons that they are able to demonstrate from a practical standpoint.

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That is because they don't know the difference themselves...

Likewise, I have yet to see hardly any other martial arts school train forms the way they do, for the reasons that they do, from the various interrated systems & styles that they do.

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Well, maybe if they are doing something a certain way, and everyone else is doing it different...maybe Green Dagon is WRONG!

So it makes perfect sense to me that their performances on the variety of styles that they do goes against the grain & "core thinking" of the mainstream kung fu schools; no big surprise.

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Of course it goes against the grain of mainstream schools, because they are wrong....are you going to sit there and tell a specialist of a certian style that your melting pot of mish mash is done right, and the specialist is wrong? and you wonder why everyone is so critical of Greendragon?